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every change starts with a few people, and then it grows

by verdverm 9mo ago

bigyabai 9mo ago
Google is grandfathered into a few preexisting defense contracts. Any red lines you draw may have already been crossed.
- pempem 9mo ago
  Literally yesterday google changed how secrets work. Its very possible to introduce change.
  - busko 9mo ago
    Do you have any references for this? I'd like to know more.
- verdverm 9mo ago
  Contracts expire and can be renegotiated, or even reneged on if you are willing to accept the consequences (which you may see as preferable to enabling wanton murder)
cheonn638 9mo ago
> every change starts with a few people, and then it grows your opinion is defense contracts are bad my opinion is defense contracts are good who is correct? probably me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this
- piloto_ciego 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - klhutchins 9mo ago
    There's lots of money for everyone on the way down
    - piloto_ciego 9mo ago
      I wish people would seriously start looking past this... "enough" should be the goal? But maybe I'm crazy
  - omoikane 9mo ago
    > if all your friends were jumping off of a bridge would you do it too? Probably. https://xkcd.com/1170/ https://xkcd.com/1170/ Although in the context of the parent comment, majority of Googlers probably aren't working on things directly related to controversial topics, instead they are probably working on mundane and non-external facing projects like "how do I migrate my libraries from this deprecated dependency to this other shiny new thing".
- dotancohen 9mo ago
  Why is there any controversy about defending one's nation being "good" or "bad"? I can not believe what I am reading here, and how the single comment supporting defending one's country is so heavily downvoted. Qatar has poisoned Western online communities such that all defence of the United States is considered taboo? I don't even live in the US and I am frightened by what I see here.
  - nailer 9mo ago
    Oh I believe it’s important to defend the country, but not because it’s a popular opinion. I dislike any statement that believes truth is based on consensus.
  - lordofgibbons 9mo ago
    The controversy isn't about defending one's country, it's about you and the parent comment author assuming what this is all about without reading the article. The core of the issue about autonomous use of AI in mass surveillance of Americans and autonomous use of AI in automated weapons that make kill decisions. Anthropic is perfectly fine with working with the War Department and "defending one's nation". But they are not okay with their AI being used to make a mockery of the 4th amendment and making automated kill/no-kill decisions about actual human lives.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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  - seattle_spring 9mo ago
    "Defending one's nation" and "capitulating to the people in charge like Hegseth" are very much not the same thing.
  - saulapremium 9mo ago
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- fuy 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - dang 9mo ago
    We've banned the other account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines, but - WTF? I don't want to ban you because it doesn't look like you have a habit of posting like this, but please don't do this kind of thing here again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - fuy 9mo ago
      sorry about that, I appreciate the reminder. Sometimes it's hard to engage in conversations with obvious bots/bad actors in good faith.
      - cheonn638 8mo ago
        [dead]
  - wqaatwt 9mo ago
    He’s certainly mostly right about > me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this Of course maybe not 99.9% but almost certainly >= 95%
- verdverm 9mo ago
  Thanks for informing me of my opinion on defense contracts /s Their goal is not to leave, it is to start a conversation that hopefully ends up changing company policy.

every change starts with a few people, and then it grows

bigyabai 9mo ago

Google is grandfathered into a few preexisting defense contracts. Any red lines you draw may have already been crossed.

pempem 9mo ago
Literally yesterday google changed how secrets work. Its very possible to introduce change.
- busko 9mo ago
  Do you have any references for this? I'd like to know more.
verdverm 9mo ago
Contracts expire and can be renegotiated, or even reneged on if you are willing to accept the consequences (which you may see as preferable to enabling wanton murder)

cheonn638 9mo ago

> every change starts with a few people, and then it grows your opinion is defense contracts are bad my opinion is defense contracts are good who is correct? probably me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this

piloto_ciego 9mo ago
[flagged]
- klhutchins 9mo ago
  There's lots of money for everyone on the way down
  - piloto_ciego 9mo ago
    I wish people would seriously start looking past this... "enough" should be the goal? But maybe I'm crazy
- omoikane 9mo ago
  > if all your friends were jumping off of a bridge would you do it too? Probably. https://xkcd.com/1170/ https://xkcd.com/1170/ Although in the context of the parent comment, majority of Googlers probably aren't working on things directly related to controversial topics, instead they are probably working on mundane and non-external facing projects like "how do I migrate my libraries from this deprecated dependency to this other shiny new thing".
dotancohen 9mo ago
Why is there any controversy about defending one's nation being "good" or "bad"? I can not believe what I am reading here, and how the single comment supporting defending one's country is so heavily downvoted. Qatar has poisoned Western online communities such that all defence of the United States is considered taboo? I don't even live in the US and I am frightened by what I see here.
- nailer 9mo ago
  Oh I believe it’s important to defend the country, but not because it’s a popular opinion. I dislike any statement that believes truth is based on consensus.
- lordofgibbons 9mo ago
  The controversy isn't about defending one's country, it's about you and the parent comment author assuming what this is all about without reading the article. The core of the issue about autonomous use of AI in mass surveillance of Americans and autonomous use of AI in automated weapons that make kill decisions. Anthropic is perfectly fine with working with the War Department and "defending one's nation". But they are not okay with their AI being used to make a mockery of the 4th amendment and making automated kill/no-kill decisions about actual human lives.
  - deleted 9mo ago
    [deleted]
- seattle_spring 9mo ago
  "Defending one's nation" and "capitulating to the people in charge like Hegseth" are very much not the same thing.
- saulapremium 9mo ago
  [dead]
fuy 9mo ago
[flagged]
- dang 9mo ago
  We've banned the other account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines, but - WTF? I don't want to ban you because it doesn't look like you have a habit of posting like this, but please don't do this kind of thing here again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - fuy 9mo ago
    sorry about that, I appreciate the reminder. Sometimes it's hard to engage in conversations with obvious bots/bad actors in good faith.
    - cheonn638 8mo ago
      [dead]
- wqaatwt 9mo ago
  He’s certainly mostly right about > me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this Of course maybe not 99.9% but almost certainly >= 95%
verdverm 9mo ago
Thanks for informing me of my opinion on defense contracts /s Their goal is not to leave, it is to start a conversation that hopefully ends up changing company policy.