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> Half their agentic usage is coding. When that's your reality, you train for it. You optimize the tool use, the file editing, the multi-step workflows - becaus

> Half their agentic usage is coding. When that's your reality, you train for it. You optimize the tool use, the file editing, the multi-step workflows - because that's what your paying users are actually doing. Google doesn't have that same pressure. I wonder if this is a strategic choice — anthropic has decided to go after the developers, a motivated but limited market. Whereas the general populace might be more attracted to improved search tools, allowing Google/openai/etc to capture that larger market

bonoboTP 8mo ago
They are heavily dogfooding. Coding is needed to orchestrate the training of the next Claude model, data processing, RL environments, evals, scaffolding, UI, APIs, automated experiments, cluster management, etc etc. This allows them to get the next model faster and then get the next one etc. Making a model that's great at other kinds of knowledge/office work is coincidental, it doesn't feed back directly into improving the model.
WarmWash 8mo ago
It's more likely that anthropic feels that if they can crack just programming, then their agents can rapidly do the legwork of surpassing the other labs.
- pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
  Hmm that makes some sense to me as well, like buying eco upgrades early in an rts game. But that assumes that better programming leads to more-generally-competent AI, which I think is tenuous. The thing that sparked this recent AI summer was not better programming, so why would better programming lead to the next/ongoing big improvements?
j2kun 8mo ago
> Google doesn't have that same pressure. I doubt it. Gemini is heavily used internally for coding with integrations across Google's developer tooling. gemini-cli is not meaningfully different from claude code.
sjsjzbbz 8mo ago
They’re doing a lot of dev hostile stuff: - limiting model access when not using claude code - claude code is a poorly made product. inefficient, buggy, etc. it shows they don’t read the code - thousands of open GitHub issues, regressions introduced constantly - dev hostile changes like the recent change to hide what the agent is actually doing However, they are very good at marketing and hype. I’d recommend everyone give pi or opencode a try. My guess is anthropic actually wants vibe coders (a much broader market).

bonoboTP 8mo ago

They are heavily dogfooding. Coding is needed to orchestrate the training of the next Claude model, data processing, RL environments, evals, scaffolding, UI, APIs, automated experiments, cluster management, etc etc. This allows them to get the next model faster and then get the next one etc. Making a model that's great at other kinds of knowledge/office work is coincidental, it doesn't feed back directly into improving the model.

WarmWash 8mo ago

It's more likely that anthropic feels that if they can crack just programming, then their agents can rapidly do the legwork of surpassing the other labs.

pinkmuffinere 8mo ago
Hmm that makes some sense to me as well, like buying eco upgrades early in an rts game. But that assumes that better programming leads to more-generally-competent AI, which I think is tenuous. The thing that sparked this recent AI summer was not better programming, so why would better programming lead to the next/ongoing big improvements?

j2kun 8mo ago

> Google doesn't have that same pressure. I doubt it. Gemini is heavily used internally for coding with integrations across Google's developer tooling. gemini-cli is not meaningfully different from claude code.

sjsjzbbz 8mo ago

They’re doing a lot of dev hostile stuff: - limiting model access when not using claude code - claude code is a poorly made product. inefficient, buggy, etc. it shows they don’t read the code - thousands of open GitHub issues, regressions introduced constantly - dev hostile changes like the recent change to hide what the agent is actually doing However, they are very good at marketing and hype. I’d recommend everyone give pi or opencode a try. My guess is anthropic actually wants vibe coders (a much broader market).