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> Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x faster than Windows 11 explorer, it's not even close. I have a hard time believing this. I'm pretty sensitive to performance

> Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x faster than Windows 11 explorer, it's not even close. I have a hard time believing this. I'm pretty sensitive to performance losses and I haven't noticed any difference between those. It wouldn't make sense either, given they should both host the same shell icon views. Are you sure the difference you're seeing is in explorer.exe? As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11?

201984 7mo ago
> As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11? Ultimately, what difference does it make? The file explorer in Windows 10 is much faster than the one in Windows 11, and it's very noticeable. Turn on the old context menus, and try right clicking a file. Instant in Windows 10, visible delay in Windows 11.
mapontosevenths 7mo ago
I measured once. It uses about 50% more resources and offers less feautures (or at least hides existing feautures). You may not have noticed if you had resources to spare. It does offer some new features for businesses. Nothing useful for the consumer, and nothing to justify the massive performance loss
protocolture 7mo ago
Its not faster bereft of context, its just bloated. If you have enough resource to throw at it, its roughly the same. Theres some specific things that can themselves be slower, the Windows 11 Start Menu has had a lot of words written about its new implementation.
- maccard 7mo ago
  > if you have enough resource to throw at it An i9 with 128GB RAM isn’t enough resources to open a menu?
  - protocolture 7mo ago
    I dont know what to tell you. I have endless user complaints at i5 16GB RAM, and none at i5 32GB RAM. Not to mention that I run 32 myself and its mostly fine. I can open menus.
    - deleted 7mo ago
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    - maccard 7mo ago
      I’ve got two machines for work - a desktop with an i9 and a laptop with an i7 and 32GB. The laptop is honestly a disgrace - I can’t believe it is sold as it is and marketed as a premium device. It’s “fine” for some light development but it fundamentally just doesn’t work - it misses inputs, it can’t handle chrome, regularly refuses to wake from sleep, etc. it does have an EPM solution on it which definitely makes it worse, but my 17 year old MacBook which can’t even load modern websites because safari is so out of date runs better than it.
- RHSeeger 7mo ago
  That _is_ slower. The fact that it's possible to throw enough resources at it that both "look" the same speed, doesn't change the fact that one of them is 10x slower.
lenkite 7mo ago
It is certainly perceptibly slow. Carried out a test on my 12 year old PC running Win-10 vs a new HP Win11 laptop of my friend which he bought in a hurry before price increases. Opened a directory of several thousand files with nested folders - much slower at navigation. Much slower at opening right-click menus. Much slower at pretty much everything. M$ has now introduced web-latency into the desktop along with their adoption of web-tech into the OS. You gotta get used to staring at that spinning blue circle, counting the many precious moments of your life draining away.
- LevGoldstein 7mo ago
  > M$ has now introduced web-latency into the desktop along with their adoption of web-tech into the OS. So we're back to the woes of Active Desktop on Windows 98. Everything old is new again.
  - krige 7mo ago
    You could at least disable Active Desktop to dethrottle your PC. Meanwhile, my work W11 PC has a second+ delay for explorer right click and there's nothing I can do about it.
    - reef_sh 7mo ago
      You can actually restore the old right-click menu on W11 with some regedit. Not ideal in any way, and a setting would have been a much better way to toggle this, but it is an option.
      - brazzy 7mo ago
        The problem is that the old righ-click menu is ALSO much slower on Windows 11. Shows a fucking spinner for half a second before the menu appears.
        reef_sh 7mo ago
        I've found that ( at least for me ) that was caused by some entries doing some checks before showing up. Getting a context menu editor and removing some of them can help.
matheusmoreira 7mo ago
The Windows computer I have to use at work takes over ten seconds to open the calculator. It literally is faster to type the calculation I want into a search engine and get the results back over the network. The new calculator even manages to screw up basic input. The old calculator accepted both commas and periods as decimal separator inputs. It just worked no matter what I typed in. The new calculator has some sort of "clever" localization where my inputs change depending on the language of the operating system. My language uses commas so of course it only accepts those. Infuriating. Hope whoever coded this is enjoying their promotion.
- abustamam 7mo ago
  One of the first projects I made while learning to code was a calculator. It wasn't very sophisticated. But it was fast and it handled commas and periods. It wasn't localized, but it could be. Sad to think that me having a month of coding experience made a better product than MSFT, yet whoever coded the calculator is probably making ten times what I am right now.
  - matheusmoreira 7mo ago
    The new calculator isn't just slow to open, it seems to have actual input lag too. God I miss the old calculator. To me it's not sad, it's infuriating. This corporation is worth a trillion dollars. Why can't they do their jobs? I'm sure the old calculator could be maintained and improved without screwing it up beyond belief. Send us some fat stacks and we'll do it.
    - lenkite 7mo ago
      Its AI and not humans that make up that trillion dollars and its AI enshloppification that created the new calculator. You are not AI - no fat stack for you.
      - matheusmoreira 7mo ago
        They're not gonna put LLM nonsense in the freaking calculator, right? > It looks like you're trying to calculate averages. Would you like help with that? > Did you know Microsoft™ Office™ Excel™ has a formula for that? Rent Microsoft™ Office™ Excel™ today! Only $200/month in a perpetual payment plan! What a time to be alive.
snozolli 7mo ago
There are a ton of posts and bug reports about the Windows 11 File Explorer being slow. Personally, after a few minutes of use, changing directories can take on the order of 20-30 seconds! The slowdown appears to be due to XAML Islands, which allow legacy code to use modern MS UI stuff. https://www.techindeep.com/why-is-windows-explorer-slow-72894 https://www.techindeep.com/why-is-windows-explorer-slow-7289...

201984 7mo ago

> As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11? Ultimately, what difference does it make? The file explorer in Windows 10 is much faster than the one in Windows 11, and it's very noticeable. Turn on the old context menus, and try right clicking a file. Instant in Windows 10, visible delay in Windows 11.

mapontosevenths 7mo ago

I measured once. It uses about 50% more resources and offers less feautures (or at least hides existing feautures). You may not have noticed if you had resources to spare. It does offer some new features for businesses. Nothing useful for the consumer, and nothing to justify the massive performance loss

protocolture 7mo ago

Its not faster bereft of context, its just bloated. If you have enough resource to throw at it, its roughly the same. Theres some specific things that can themselves be slower, the Windows 11 Start Menu has had a lot of words written about its new implementation.

maccard 7mo ago
> if you have enough resource to throw at it An i9 with 128GB RAM isn’t enough resources to open a menu?
- protocolture 7mo ago
  I dont know what to tell you. I have endless user complaints at i5 16GB RAM, and none at i5 32GB RAM. Not to mention that I run 32 myself and its mostly fine. I can open menus.
  - deleted 7mo ago
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  - maccard 7mo ago
    I’ve got two machines for work - a desktop with an i9 and a laptop with an i7 and 32GB. The laptop is honestly a disgrace - I can’t believe it is sold as it is and marketed as a premium device. It’s “fine” for some light development but it fundamentally just doesn’t work - it misses inputs, it can’t handle chrome, regularly refuses to wake from sleep, etc. it does have an EPM solution on it which definitely makes it worse, but my 17 year old MacBook which can’t even load modern websites because safari is so out of date runs better than it.
RHSeeger 7mo ago
That _is_ slower. The fact that it's possible to throw enough resources at it that both "look" the same speed, doesn't change the fact that one of them is 10x slower.

lenkite 7mo ago

It is certainly perceptibly slow. Carried out a test on my 12 year old PC running Win-10 vs a new HP Win11 laptop of my friend which he bought in a hurry before price increases. Opened a directory of several thousand files with nested folders - much slower at navigation. Much slower at opening right-click menus. Much slower at pretty much everything. M$ has now introduced web-latency into the desktop along with their adoption of web-tech into the OS. You gotta get used to staring at that spinning blue circle, counting the many precious moments of your life draining away.

LevGoldstein 7mo ago
> M$ has now introduced web-latency into the desktop along with their adoption of web-tech into the OS. So we're back to the woes of Active Desktop on Windows 98. Everything old is new again.
- krige 7mo ago
  You could at least disable Active Desktop to dethrottle your PC. Meanwhile, my work W11 PC has a second+ delay for explorer right click and there's nothing I can do about it.
  - reef_sh 7mo ago
    You can actually restore the old right-click menu on W11 with some regedit. Not ideal in any way, and a setting would have been a much better way to toggle this, but it is an option.
    - brazzy 7mo ago
      The problem is that the old righ-click menu is ALSO much slower on Windows 11. Shows a fucking spinner for half a second before the menu appears.
      - reef_sh 7mo ago
        I've found that ( at least for me ) that was caused by some entries doing some checks before showing up. Getting a context menu editor and removing some of them can help.

matheusmoreira 7mo ago

The Windows computer I have to use at work takes over ten seconds to open the calculator. It literally is faster to type the calculation I want into a search engine and get the results back over the network. The new calculator even manages to screw up basic input. The old calculator accepted both commas and periods as decimal separator inputs. It just worked no matter what I typed in. The new calculator has some sort of "clever" localization where my inputs change depending on the language of the operating system. My language uses commas so of course it only accepts those. Infuriating. Hope whoever coded this is enjoying their promotion.

abustamam 7mo ago
One of the first projects I made while learning to code was a calculator. It wasn't very sophisticated. But it was fast and it handled commas and periods. It wasn't localized, but it could be. Sad to think that me having a month of coding experience made a better product than MSFT, yet whoever coded the calculator is probably making ten times what I am right now.
- matheusmoreira 7mo ago
  The new calculator isn't just slow to open, it seems to have actual input lag too. God I miss the old calculator. To me it's not sad, it's infuriating. This corporation is worth a trillion dollars. Why can't they do their jobs? I'm sure the old calculator could be maintained and improved without screwing it up beyond belief. Send us some fat stacks and we'll do it.
  - lenkite 7mo ago
    Its AI and not humans that make up that trillion dollars and its AI enshloppification that created the new calculator. You are not AI - no fat stack for you.
    - matheusmoreira 7mo ago
      They're not gonna put LLM nonsense in the freaking calculator, right? > It looks like you're trying to calculate averages. Would you like help with that? > Did you know Microsoft™ Office™ Excel™ has a formula for that? Rent Microsoft™ Office™ Excel™ today! Only $200/month in a perpetual payment plan! What a time to be alive.

snozolli 7mo ago

There are a ton of posts and bug reports about the Windows 11 File Explorer being slow. Personally, after a few minutes of use, changing directories can take on the order of 20-30 seconds! The slowdown appears to be due to XAML Islands, which allow legacy code to use modern MS UI stuff. https://www.techindeep.com/why-is-windows-explorer-slow-72894 https://www.techindeep.com/why-is-windows-explorer-slow-7289...