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Ignoring what is hopefully sarcasm on the empirical part, it's a double standard because it assumes that saying Obama sucks must be a dogwhistle and tied to und
by coleworld45 8mo ago
Ignoring what is hopefully sarcasm on the empirical part, it's a double standard because it assumes that saying Obama sucks must be a dogwhistle and tied to undertones of racism.
"Dogwhistle
The phrase "Obama sucks" can be interpreted as more than just a simple critique of a political figure; it has been used to express racist sentiments by implying that a Black president is less capable or worthy of respect. This reinforces harmful stereotypes and can contribute to a broader culture of disrespect and division."
- ceejayoz 8mo ago[flagged]
- coleworld45 8mo agoIn other opinion polls they back up that he doesn't suck. Either way who cares? That's not what the app is supposed to be about if it's teaching/correcting you how to argue/debate better. You completely ignored the whole point of what I said, which is that even in a simple statement like "This person sucks" it added its own implicit connotations, namely that disliking someone who happens to be black is implicit racism. Imagine trying to learn how to really argue with that kind of teacher.
- ceejayoz 8mo agoI'm really expanding on your point - that two humans can't even agree here. The AI probably has even less chance of resolving the multi-factorial scenario we're in.
- Supermancho 8mo agoAFAICT, Respectify is trying to address improvements via leveraged grammar using minimal context. Dis/agreement is incidental. eg * Noun1 is great. * Noun2 is great. Ideally would result in equal outcomes.
- ceejayoz 8mo agoEven for “ice cream” and “genocide” as the two nouns?
- Supermancho 8mo agoAs I understand the purpose, yes.
- goatlover 8mo agoWhose discourse do you think the app would label as more toxic, Trump's or Obama's?
- eucyclos 8mo ago>Should the model consider that more people consider one or the other to suck? If it's teaching how to avoid logical fallacies, which includes appeals to the majority, the answer is an obvious 'no'.
- NickHodges0702 8mo agoI would think/hope that both of those comments would be flagged with even a small amount of moderation set. Avoiding that kind of comment is exactly what we are trying to do, actually.
- coleworld45 8mo agoYes I agree, but the problem I'm pointing out is that in a phrase as simple as "X person sucks" your system flagged one as implicitly racist because the person being criticized was black. Nothing in "Obama sucks" implied any kind of racism. If it's so baked in that with a simple phrase like that it reaches for dogwhistles, how can anyone trust the objectivity of this?
- NickHodges0702 8mo agoI totally agree -- just saying "Obama sucks" shouldn't have racism become part of the equation. Excellent point that we'll stew on and try to make better.
- wredcoll 8mo agoSo when can I expect your update to the american population?
- NickHodges0702 8mo agoYep, I agree -- it is a double standard... but...... Very sensitive topic. We'll think hard on how to handle things like that.
- kbelder 8mo agoI don't know that I've ever seen a reasonable accusation of 'dogwhistling' on HN. They always just make the accuser seem paranoid or evasive.
- fn-mote 8mo agoI’m not wasting my time accusing. Downvote, flag, move on. Maybe that’s why you didn’t see any.