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I think it's more likely that Microsoft is vibe coding slop garbage to replace their core apps that were literally better. Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x fast

by 0xy 8mo ago

I think it's more likely that Microsoft is vibe coding slop garbage to replace their core apps that were literally better. Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x faster than Windows 11 explorer, it's not even close. It also signals the death knell for Windows native apps. Microsoft can't make them anymore. It won't be long until even Excel is a Electron sloplication.

steve1977 8mo ago
The best example is probably the new "Outlook", and I put that name in quotes intentionally.
- password4321 8mo ago
  In case anyone is not aware: 20231109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 Windows 11 Update 23H2 is stealing users' IMAP credentials (666 points, 278 comments) > the new Outlook is a thin wrapper around the cloud version, so the IMAP sync happens in the cloud, not locally
  - ruszki 8mo ago
    This was one of the most outrageous data grab in the past years. They replaced the completely working simple Mail app, which I used until that point, with this garbage, and I was just lucky that I paid attention, and I stopped for a sec what is that warning which tells you that they grab literally all of your emails. Btw, just before that I found this page regarding Edge, and this is why I paid more attention to these things: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/microsoft-edge/privacy https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/microsoft-edge/priva... That list is way too long for my taste, and it really indicated me that Windows became completely adversarial.
- throwaway85825 8mo ago
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  - UqWBcuFx6NV4r 8mo ago
    “Diverse”? Wanna expand on that one, buddy? You think you’re being subtle?
bubblewand 8mo ago
It's been so weird to watch over the decades as team sizes, budgets, and timelines have exploded even as we've abandoned once-normal things like native GUI applications as too hard in favor of "more efficient" webshit... even as the aforementioned stuff with growing team sizes, budgets, and timelines have happened.
- nextaccountic 8mo ago
  What's weird is that AI is supposed to make development easy enough that native applications are just as fast to build than web apps Somehow in this timeline AI can only be used to make things worse and sloppier
  - throwaway85825 8mo ago
    Software used to be built for users, now it just has to look good as a screenshot.
    - assaddayinh 8mo ago
      [dead]
    - mapontosevenths 8mo ago
      The user is not the customer. Microsoft builds software for the enterprise now, so Windows 11 is full of new features for the enterprise and has nothing for the User. They forgot that Enterprises are made out of Users.
      - throwaway85825 8mo ago
        All the enterprise users I know are extremely unhappy with the direction of development.
  - mulmen 8mo ago
    It’s also weird that the productivity increases of AI lead to layoffs instead of hiring. If we can do more with AI why are companies scrambling to maintain the current output? Does leadership lack the vision of what to do with the additional productivity?
dataflow 8mo ago
> Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x faster than Windows 11 explorer, it's not even close. I have a hard time believing this. I'm pretty sensitive to performance losses and I haven't noticed any difference between those. It wouldn't make sense either, given they should both host the same shell icon views. Are you sure the difference you're seeing is in explorer.exe? As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11?
- 201984 8mo ago
  > As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11? Ultimately, what difference does it make? The file explorer in Windows 10 is much faster than the one in Windows 11, and it's very noticeable. Turn on the old context menus, and try right clicking a file. Instant in Windows 10, visible delay in Windows 11.
- mapontosevenths 8mo ago
  I measured once. It uses about 50% more resources and offers less feautures (or at least hides existing feautures). You may not have noticed if you had resources to spare. It does offer some new features for businesses. Nothing useful for the consumer, and nothing to justify the massive performance loss
- protocolture 8mo ago
  Its not faster bereft of context, its just bloated. If you have enough resource to throw at it, its roughly the same. Theres some specific things that can themselves be slower, the Windows 11 Start Menu has had a lot of words written about its new implementation.
  - maccard 8mo ago
    > if you have enough resource to throw at it An i9 with 128GB RAM isn’t enough resources to open a menu?
    - protocolture 8mo ago
coffeebeqn 8mo ago
If everything is electron then there’s literally no reason to pay for windows since superior OSes can run everything exactly the same
pooploop64 8mo ago
If I have to view an image on Windows, I've long been in the habit of right clicking it and choosing "edit" to open MS Paint because it's so much better and faster than the stock image viewer. It's instant. I can't think of a metaphor that sounds worse than this in regards to how low the bar has fallen. It's just an image viewer. How hard could they possibly be making it for themselves? Literally the best parts of Windows have been the parts they forgot existed for 10+ years and never changed.

by 0xy 8mo ago

steve1977 8mo ago

The best example is probably the new "Outlook", and I put that name in quotes intentionally.

password4321 8mo ago
In case anyone is not aware: 20231109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 Windows 11 Update 23H2 is stealing users' IMAP credentials (666 points, 278 comments) > the new Outlook is a thin wrapper around the cloud version, so the IMAP sync happens in the cloud, not locally
- ruszki 8mo ago
  This was one of the most outrageous data grab in the past years. They replaced the completely working simple Mail app, which I used until that point, with this garbage, and I was just lucky that I paid attention, and I stopped for a sec what is that warning which tells you that they grab literally all of your emails. Btw, just before that I found this page regarding Edge, and this is why I paid more attention to these things: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/microsoft-edge/privacy https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/microsoft-edge/priva... That list is way too long for my taste, and it really indicated me that Windows became completely adversarial.
throwaway85825 8mo ago
[flagged]
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 8mo ago
  “Diverse”? Wanna expand on that one, buddy? You think you’re being subtle?

bubblewand 8mo ago

It's been so weird to watch over the decades as team sizes, budgets, and timelines have exploded even as we've abandoned once-normal things like native GUI applications as too hard in favor of "more efficient" webshit... even as the aforementioned stuff with growing team sizes, budgets, and timelines have happened.

nextaccountic 8mo ago
What's weird is that AI is supposed to make development easy enough that native applications are just as fast to build than web apps Somehow in this timeline AI can only be used to make things worse and sloppier
- throwaway85825 8mo ago
  Software used to be built for users, now it just has to look good as a screenshot.
  - assaddayinh 8mo ago
    [dead]
  - mapontosevenths 8mo ago
    The user is not the customer. Microsoft builds software for the enterprise now, so Windows 11 is full of new features for the enterprise and has nothing for the User. They forgot that Enterprises are made out of Users.
    - throwaway85825 8mo ago
      All the enterprise users I know are extremely unhappy with the direction of development.
- mulmen 8mo ago
  It’s also weird that the productivity increases of AI lead to layoffs instead of hiring. If we can do more with AI why are companies scrambling to maintain the current output? Does leadership lack the vision of what to do with the additional productivity?

dataflow 8mo ago

> Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x faster than Windows 11 explorer, it's not even close. I have a hard time believing this. I'm pretty sensitive to performance losses and I haven't noticed any difference between those. It wouldn't make sense either, given they should both host the same shell icon views. Are you sure the difference you're seeing is in explorer.exe? As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11?

201984 8mo ago
> As opposed to something else, like a new shell extension or a new filesystem filter driver on Windows 11? Ultimately, what difference does it make? The file explorer in Windows 10 is much faster than the one in Windows 11, and it's very noticeable. Turn on the old context menus, and try right clicking a file. Instant in Windows 10, visible delay in Windows 11.
mapontosevenths 8mo ago
I measured once. It uses about 50% more resources and offers less feautures (or at least hides existing feautures). You may not have noticed if you had resources to spare. It does offer some new features for businesses. Nothing useful for the consumer, and nothing to justify the massive performance loss
protocolture 8mo ago
Its not faster bereft of context, its just bloated. If you have enough resource to throw at it, its roughly the same. Theres some specific things that can themselves be slower, the Windows 11 Start Menu has had a lot of words written about its new implementation.
- maccard 8mo ago
  > if you have enough resource to throw at it An i9 with 128GB RAM isn’t enough resources to open a menu?
  - protocolture 8mo ago

coffeebeqn 8mo ago

If everything is electron then there’s literally no reason to pay for windows since superior OSes can run everything exactly the same

pooploop64 8mo ago

If I have to view an image on Windows, I've long been in the habit of right clicking it and choosing "edit" to open MS Paint because it's so much better and faster than the stock image viewer. It's instant. I can't think of a metaphor that sounds worse than this in regards to how low the bar has fallen. It's just an image viewer. How hard could they possibly be making it for themselves? Literally the best parts of Windows have been the parts they forgot existed for 10+ years and never changed.