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Why are US tech stocks not falling yet due to the trend of countries decoupling?

by SilverElfin 8mo ago

chalupa-supreme 8mo ago
Because the market does not reflect reality.
- deepsquirrelnet 8mo ago
  The market reflects reality. The new reality is that the people who are invested apparently don't need liquidity, and bad news doesn't really matter.
  - delfinom 8mo ago
    >that the people who are invested apparently don't need liquidity The rich and ultra rich don't need liquidity, they have our 401k plans for that.
    - munk-a 8mo ago
      The rich and ultra rich tend to borrow against their investments rather than spending their own money. As long as the number continues to go up it's basically a free money pipe for everyone over a certain level of wealth.
righthand 8mo ago
Voting with your wallet doesn’t work when the corpo is big enough to buy everyone off.
hypeatei 8mo ago
What are you talking about? There's been a ~18% drop in tech sector this past month (see: IGV) I don't know if it's due to "decoupling" but there has been some selling recently.
- keeda 8mo ago
  That's mostly AI panic based on the narratives swirling around in finance news. I'd agree this threat of decoupling is more serious, but I also think the market knows that US tech is so deeply embedded everywhere that decoupling will take decades.
blibble 8mo ago
average trader probably doesn't realise the bigger picture yet
wongarsu 8mo ago
Confidence that in the short term nothing will change. All large-scale change is hard. Change that impacts everyone's workflow will be resisted even if the new thing is better, and in many areas the alternatives are pretty mediocre. Also a combination of political and economic pressure has in the past been successful in making meaningful initiatives fail or roll them back. In the long term this is an issue. But I'm not sure the US stock market actually cares that much about what the world will look like in 4 or 8 years.
luddit3 8mo ago
They have been, if you compare them to the performance of the non-US market, and most software companies are declining daily.
munk-a 8mo ago
The US recently rolled out a childhood investment account that offered to pump a thousand dollars per child into the main market index funds backed by the US government. In the SOTU there was also a mention of matching the first thousand dollar invested in an approved retirement account for all residents - not just federal employees. The US government is pumping the stock market with debt - as long as nobody starts dumping bonds or currency this is an action that will make number go up.
jacquesm 8mo ago
See Also: Isaac Newton...
we_have_options 8mo ago
IGV down 18%. Tech stocks are falling

Why are US tech stocks not falling yet due to the trend of countries decoupling?

chalupa-supreme 8mo ago

Because the market does not reflect reality.

deepsquirrelnet 8mo ago
The market reflects reality. The new reality is that the people who are invested apparently don't need liquidity, and bad news doesn't really matter.
- delfinom 8mo ago
  >that the people who are invested apparently don't need liquidity The rich and ultra rich don't need liquidity, they have our 401k plans for that.
  - munk-a 8mo ago
    The rich and ultra rich tend to borrow against their investments rather than spending their own money. As long as the number continues to go up it's basically a free money pipe for everyone over a certain level of wealth.

righthand 8mo ago

Voting with your wallet doesn’t work when the corpo is big enough to buy everyone off.

hypeatei 8mo ago

What are you talking about? There's been a ~18% drop in tech sector this past month (see: IGV) I don't know if it's due to "decoupling" but there has been some selling recently.

keeda 8mo ago
That's mostly AI panic based on the narratives swirling around in finance news. I'd agree this threat of decoupling is more serious, but I also think the market knows that US tech is so deeply embedded everywhere that decoupling will take decades.

blibble 8mo ago

average trader probably doesn't realise the bigger picture yet

wongarsu 8mo ago

Confidence that in the short term nothing will change. All large-scale change is hard. Change that impacts everyone's workflow will be resisted even if the new thing is better, and in many areas the alternatives are pretty mediocre. Also a combination of political and economic pressure has in the past been successful in making meaningful initiatives fail or roll them back. In the long term this is an issue. But I'm not sure the US stock market actually cares that much about what the world will look like in 4 or 8 years.

luddit3 8mo ago

They have been, if you compare them to the performance of the non-US market, and most software companies are declining daily.

munk-a 8mo ago

The US recently rolled out a childhood investment account that offered to pump a thousand dollars per child into the main market index funds backed by the US government. In the SOTU there was also a mention of matching the first thousand dollar invested in an approved retirement account for all residents - not just federal employees. The US government is pumping the stock market with debt - as long as nobody starts dumping bonds or currency this is an action that will make number go up.

jacquesm 8mo ago