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> Hamas was insane to think that Bibi would NOT BOMB the Gaza in retaliation. My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew i

> Hamas was insane to think that Bibi would NOT BOMB the Gaza in retaliation. My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew it would garner support (which it did) and they also knew they had nothing to lose because this is what would have happened in the long-term anyway. They chose between a quick death and a slow death. Unfortunately, everyone else who originally chose them to protect them didn't get to choose. I doubt most would have voted for this if they had that choice.

neoromantique 7mo ago
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- selimthegrim 7mo ago
  Uh, was this happening 1967-87? Because they were sure more integrated before the First Intifada
- guerrilla 7mo ago
  That's not a counterpoint to what I said.
- jeromegv 7mo ago
  Is that the same cooperation seen in the West Bank where Israel keeps sending settlers and make Palestine land smaller and smaller every single year? I highly recommend to watch the Oscar winning movie “no other land”, for anyone that thinks that Israel would just let them leave in peace
  - neoromantique 7mo ago
    Israeli settlers are despicable, but even in current government those who support them are minority freaks(who Hamas has empowered very much after October 7th). Also it is a two way street, there is also a problem of Palestinian settlers, which while I do want to highlight is separate and in no way justifies the Israeli ones, is still a real problem and harnesses a lot of bad publicity when Israel destroys said illegal settlements.
    - School-Cotton 7mo ago
      What? Settlers are totally tolerated and supported by the state. Look at Ariel, it is a fully established town settled almost 50 years ago with a university that operates in every practical way as part of Israel. If you think the government doesn't support them, what would support look like?
    - s5300 7mo ago
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    - gxnxcxcx 7mo ago
      > those who support them are minority freaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
    - xg15 7mo ago
      Sure, they only have several ministers in the government, Likud politicians show up at settler events, they keep changing the laws to be more in favor of settlers, etc etc... As for Palestinian settlers, where would those even be?
    - basilgohar 7mo ago
      Don't make things up. Palestinians cannot settle their own land. The Israelis are the only ones settling, i.e., colonizing.
    - ceejayoz 7mo ago
      > even in current government those who support them are minority freaks Well, and the Minister of National Security, a settler himself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
- School-Cotton 7mo ago
  Gaza has been under a near-total naval blockade since 2007 (which is an act of war BTW). Any meaningful "reduction of tensions" would have included lifting that.
  - neoromantique 7mo ago
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    - School-Cotton 7mo ago
      That is an obvious lie, but also, even if it were true, who cares? It doesn't really matter what the UN thinks about anything.
iberator 7mo ago
I also almost believe that top echelons of Israeli intelligence knew about the upcoming attack, but they didn't expect THAT many fatalities and that Hamas were going to take hostages alive.
- guerrilla 7mo ago
  That's interesting. It could be. Maybe some day we'll find out.
- prmoustache 7mo ago
  A never ending conflict is what maintain the Likoud in power. This far right party and government has no interest in peace and is insulting the memory of the people who died in the holocaust.
n4r9 7mo ago
Let's also not forget that Hamas still exists and is regaining numbers and territory: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98g1klxnpxo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98g1klxnpxo You can't just stamp out a guerilla resistance the way Israel have tried to do. I suspect Hamas reckoned that a well-timed short term sacrifice would turn global opinion against Israel.
- aucisson_masque 7mo ago
  Well they still have the full support of the usa government, and I'm pretty sure that even democrats would still keep supporting Israel. So what did they really lost? Do they even care that some Europeans don't like them ? Europeans are not the one who sell them 99% of their weapons.
  - basilgohar 7mo ago
    Europe is extremely important to Israel. Their legitimacy stems from seeing themselves as European. Their loss of support from Europe is very bad in the long term. Yes, US is supporting them to. They are losing from both sides, though. They may have part of the remaining generation in power and that's it.
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  - irishcoffee 7mo ago
    I’m not sure most non-Europeans care what Europeans think about them. :)
  - jmward01 7mo ago
    The US is no longer a reliable partner. Once the current administration is gone the likelihood of US support is less than guaranteed. Even with this administration in place support is less than guaranteed. All it takes is the right moment to set off a tantrum and friends become enemies. Israel really doesn't have allies so much as accomplices and that type of friend only sticks around when it helps them.
micromacrofoot 7mo ago
Most people in Gaza now aren't old enough to have voted for Hamas. Median age is estimated to be under 20.
- lyu07282 7mo ago
  Doesn't matter, there is always going to be resistance against the occupation anyway, if it isn't called "Hamas" its going to be called something else. This is not an enemy they can ever defeat and people either know what that means or are too afraid to think that far. You just can't have other peoples land, you just can't, not without vaporizing (literally [1]) the people you took it from. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/2/10/israel-used-weapons-in-gaza-that-made-thousands-of-palestinians-evaporate https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/2/10/israel-used-wea...
  - micromacrofoot 7mo ago
    Yes no doubt, but I still feel as though it's important to dispel the "they voted for this" myth because it comes up a lot — it may still be true if an election was held today, but we can't know because the people in Palestine haven't voted for decades. When we're talking about who's suffering there, it's primarily young people who've had no voice in anything for their entire lives.
protocolture 7mo ago
>My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew it would garner support (which it did) and they also knew they had nothing to lose because this is what would have happened in the long-term anyway. They chose between a quick death and a slow death. Unfortunately, everyone else who originally chose them to protect them didn't get to choose. I doubt most would have voted for this if they had that choice. Maybe. I actually think they didnt expect to be so successful also.
naasking 7mo ago
> They chose between a quick death and a slow death. It continues to be strange to me that "not choosing death" was apparently never an option.

neoromantique 7mo ago

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selimthegrim 7mo ago
Uh, was this happening 1967-87? Because they were sure more integrated before the First Intifada
guerrilla 7mo ago
That's not a counterpoint to what I said.
jeromegv 7mo ago
Is that the same cooperation seen in the West Bank where Israel keeps sending settlers and make Palestine land smaller and smaller every single year? I highly recommend to watch the Oscar winning movie “no other land”, for anyone that thinks that Israel would just let them leave in peace
- neoromantique 7mo ago
  Israeli settlers are despicable, but even in current government those who support them are minority freaks(who Hamas has empowered very much after October 7th). Also it is a two way street, there is also a problem of Palestinian settlers, which while I do want to highlight is separate and in no way justifies the Israeli ones, is still a real problem and harnesses a lot of bad publicity when Israel destroys said illegal settlements.
  - School-Cotton 7mo ago
    What? Settlers are totally tolerated and supported by the state. Look at Ariel, it is a fully established town settled almost 50 years ago with a university that operates in every practical way as part of Israel. If you think the government doesn't support them, what would support look like?
  - s5300 7mo ago
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  - gxnxcxcx 7mo ago
    > those who support them are minority freaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
  - xg15 7mo ago
    Sure, they only have several ministers in the government, Likud politicians show up at settler events, they keep changing the laws to be more in favor of settlers, etc etc... As for Palestinian settlers, where would those even be?
  - basilgohar 7mo ago
    Don't make things up. Palestinians cannot settle their own land. The Israelis are the only ones settling, i.e., colonizing.
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    > even in current government those who support them are minority freaks Well, and the Minister of National Security, a settler himself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
School-Cotton 7mo ago
Gaza has been under a near-total naval blockade since 2007 (which is an act of war BTW). Any meaningful "reduction of tensions" would have included lifting that.
- neoromantique 7mo ago
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  - School-Cotton 7mo ago
    That is an obvious lie, but also, even if it were true, who cares? It doesn't really matter what the UN thinks about anything.

iberator 7mo ago

I also almost believe that top echelons of Israeli intelligence knew about the upcoming attack, but they didn't expect THAT many fatalities and that Hamas were going to take hostages alive.

guerrilla 7mo ago
That's interesting. It could be. Maybe some day we'll find out.
prmoustache 7mo ago
A never ending conflict is what maintain the Likoud in power. This far right party and government has no interest in peace and is insulting the memory of the people who died in the holocaust.

n4r9 7mo ago

Let's also not forget that Hamas still exists and is regaining numbers and territory: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98g1klxnpxo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98g1klxnpxo You can't just stamp out a guerilla resistance the way Israel have tried to do. I suspect Hamas reckoned that a well-timed short term sacrifice would turn global opinion against Israel.

aucisson_masque 7mo ago
Well they still have the full support of the usa government, and I'm pretty sure that even democrats would still keep supporting Israel. So what did they really lost? Do they even care that some Europeans don't like them ? Europeans are not the one who sell them 99% of their weapons.
- basilgohar 7mo ago
  Europe is extremely important to Israel. Their legitimacy stems from seeing themselves as European. Their loss of support from Europe is very bad in the long term. Yes, US is supporting them to. They are losing from both sides, though. They may have part of the remaining generation in power and that's it.
  - deleted 7mo ago
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- irishcoffee 7mo ago
  I’m not sure most non-Europeans care what Europeans think about them. :)
- jmward01 7mo ago
  The US is no longer a reliable partner. Once the current administration is gone the likelihood of US support is less than guaranteed. Even with this administration in place support is less than guaranteed. All it takes is the right moment to set off a tantrum and friends become enemies. Israel really doesn't have allies so much as accomplices and that type of friend only sticks around when it helps them.

micromacrofoot 7mo ago

Most people in Gaza now aren't old enough to have voted for Hamas. Median age is estimated to be under 20.

lyu07282 7mo ago
Doesn't matter, there is always going to be resistance against the occupation anyway, if it isn't called "Hamas" its going to be called something else. This is not an enemy they can ever defeat and people either know what that means or are too afraid to think that far. You just can't have other peoples land, you just can't, not without vaporizing (literally [1]) the people you took it from. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/2/10/israel-used-weapons-in-gaza-that-made-thousands-of-palestinians-evaporate https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/2/10/israel-used-wea...
- micromacrofoot 7mo ago
  Yes no doubt, but I still feel as though it's important to dispel the "they voted for this" myth because it comes up a lot — it may still be true if an election was held today, but we can't know because the people in Palestine haven't voted for decades. When we're talking about who's suffering there, it's primarily young people who've had no voice in anything for their entire lives.

protocolture 7mo ago

>My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew it would garner support (which it did) and they also knew they had nothing to lose because this is what would have happened in the long-term anyway. They chose between a quick death and a slow death. Unfortunately, everyone else who originally chose them to protect them didn't get to choose. I doubt most would have voted for this if they had that choice. Maybe. I actually think they didnt expect to be so successful also.

naasking 7mo ago

> They chose between a quick death and a slow death. It continues to be strange to me that "not choosing death" was apparently never an option.