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The rules aren't written by plucky revolutionaries, but the big powers. They, thus, fairly often favor people who fight like the big powers. https://www.thegua

The rules aren't written by plucky revolutionaries, but the big powers. They, thus, fairly often favor people who fight like the big powers. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/can-hospitals-be-military-targets-international-law-israel-gaza-al-shifa https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/can-hospitals-... > Article 8 of the Rome statute, which established the international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague, defines a long list of war crimes including “intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected”. > But it makes an exception if the targets are “military objectives”. Philip-Gay said that “if a civilian hospital is used for acts harmful to the enemy, that is the legal term used”, the hospital can lose its protected status under international law and be considered a legitimate target. Nevertheless, if there is doubt as to whether a hospital is a military objective or being used for acts harmful to the enemy, the presumption, under international humanitarian law, is that it is not. Again, I think Israel committed war crimes here and throughout Gaza. But the parent poster has a point that using a hospital for combat purposes risks its status. (There are still rules to follow in that case, that weren't followed. Again, war crimes.) > Truth: Mass-destroying a country's hospitals, murdering the doctors, nurses, workers & patients, mass-executing aid workers ... is Israeli. And only Israeli. This is the same mistake many made about Nazi Germany; convincing themselves that the Germans were uniquely evil. It stops people from having to examine themselves.

wk_end 9mo ago
> The rules aren't written by plucky revolutionaries, but the big powers. They, thus, fairly often favor people who fight like the big powers. I think this is one of the ugliest things about this particular war. While the IDF unquestionably committed various war crimes over the course of the conflict anyway, the bulk of what people found objectionable very well might have been done in total accordance with international law. Despite many failures and excesses, the IDF at least paid lip service to trying to do that, as a policy. It's just that, the reality is, the rules are based on entirely different assumptions about how war is carried out. If they might lead to something resembling a "humane" war (hah!) when fought between, say, a relatively evenly matched France and Germany, they're quite ineffective at preventing a humanitarian catastrophe when you have a modern force attempting to siege an ultra-dense, militarized enclave run by an organization with no real hope of a conventional victory or interest in the well-being of its civilians. And so you end up with this absurd situation where the world witnessed, over and over again, unimaginably horrible things being inflicted on the population of Gaza, and the Israelis responding - if we're being charitable, not entirely unreasonably - "Why are you getting mad at us? We're following the rules!" It's just that, clearly, the rules are insufficient to match people's moral sentiments.
- eirini1 9mo ago
  > While the IDF unquestionably committed various war crimes over the course of the conflict anyway, the bulk of what people found objectionable very well might have been done in total accordance with international law. I think this is somewhat out of touch, the main reason this conflict has garnered so much attention is the amount of times Isreal commits war crimes.
  - wk_end 9mo ago
    Let's suppose it could be demonstrated conclusively that every hospital in Gaza that Israel has bombed had Hamas militants operating out of them, as Israel has claimed. Do you think that'd silence Israel's critics about bombing hospitals? Do you think it should?
    - worik 9mo ago
      > Do you think it should? No. This is asymmetrical warfare The only route Israel has to victory, now, is genocide. They need to stop and make peace before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
        >before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders What makes you think Israel cares about a label more than conquest via genocide? Did the Nazis care about being called genocidal? If you want to stop IL you need to do it via force.
      - mvdtnz 9mo ago
        This is nonsense. The total annihilation of Hamas and disarmament of Gaza would be sufficient for Israel and you know it.
        manyaoman 9mo ago
        Even if that’s true, I can’t blame Gazans for refusing to become slaves.
magic_hamster 9mo ago
> This is the same mistake many made about Nazi Germany; convincing themselves that the Germans were uniquely evil. It stops people from having to examine themselves. You seriously need to educate yourself about history, what the nazis did, and what is going on in the middle east, because only a person who has absolutely no idea about either of these subjects could draw this terrible comparison. Unless, of course, you're just interested in spreading disinformation bordering on blood libel.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  You think Germans have some genetic predilection to genocide? That they were uniquely vulnerable to authoritarianism? The Nazis were evil. But all people have the capacity for it.
  - magic_hamster 9mo ago
    You're detracting. You made a comparison between Israel and the nazis, which is wrong, and is extremely far reached. Answering with "all people have the capacity for evil" is once again a subtle misdirection which seems like a recurring theme in your comments. This wasn't what you implied. Put simply, Israel and nazis are night and day, you are villifying a country and its people with extreme and factually wrong accusations.
    - ignoramous 9mo ago
      > Israel and nazis are night and day Depends on who you ask. People are allowed to see similarities, like Lebensraum & Occupation, as two examples. They don't need anyone's certification or permission. And intimidation, I believe, has stopped working. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and... I mean, "Judeo-Nazi" was a term coined by an Israeli polymath Yeshayahu Leibowitz & has been part of the Revisionist discourse for quite some time; ex: Better a Living Judeo-Nazi Than a Dead Saint (1983), https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 / https://archive.vn/uX42N https://archive.vn/uX42N

wk_end 9mo ago

> The rules aren't written by plucky revolutionaries, but the big powers. They, thus, fairly often favor people who fight like the big powers. I think this is one of the ugliest things about this particular war. While the IDF unquestionably committed various war crimes over the course of the conflict anyway, the bulk of what people found objectionable very well might have been done in total accordance with international law. Despite many failures and excesses, the IDF at least paid lip service to trying to do that, as a policy. It's just that, the reality is, the rules are based on entirely different assumptions about how war is carried out. If they might lead to something resembling a "humane" war (hah!) when fought between, say, a relatively evenly matched France and Germany, they're quite ineffective at preventing a humanitarian catastrophe when you have a modern force attempting to siege an ultra-dense, militarized enclave run by an organization with no real hope of a conventional victory or interest in the well-being of its civilians. And so you end up with this absurd situation where the world witnessed, over and over again, unimaginably horrible things being inflicted on the population of Gaza, and the Israelis responding - if we're being charitable, not entirely unreasonably - "Why are you getting mad at us? We're following the rules!" It's just that, clearly, the rules are insufficient to match people's moral sentiments.

eirini1 9mo ago
> While the IDF unquestionably committed various war crimes over the course of the conflict anyway, the bulk of what people found objectionable very well might have been done in total accordance with international law. I think this is somewhat out of touch, the main reason this conflict has garnered so much attention is the amount of times Isreal commits war crimes.
- wk_end 9mo ago
  Let's suppose it could be demonstrated conclusively that every hospital in Gaza that Israel has bombed had Hamas militants operating out of them, as Israel has claimed. Do you think that'd silence Israel's critics about bombing hospitals? Do you think it should?
  - worik 9mo ago
    > Do you think it should? No. This is asymmetrical warfare The only route Israel has to victory, now, is genocide. They need to stop and make peace before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
      >before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders What makes you think Israel cares about a label more than conquest via genocide? Did the Nazis care about being called genocidal? If you want to stop IL you need to do it via force.
    - mvdtnz 9mo ago
      This is nonsense. The total annihilation of Hamas and disarmament of Gaza would be sufficient for Israel and you know it.
      - manyaoman 9mo ago
        Even if that’s true, I can’t blame Gazans for refusing to become slaves.

magic_hamster 9mo ago

> This is the same mistake many made about Nazi Germany; convincing themselves that the Germans were uniquely evil. It stops people from having to examine themselves. You seriously need to educate yourself about history, what the nazis did, and what is going on in the middle east, because only a person who has absolutely no idea about either of these subjects could draw this terrible comparison. Unless, of course, you're just interested in spreading disinformation bordering on blood libel.

ceejayoz 9mo ago
You think Germans have some genetic predilection to genocide? That they were uniquely vulnerable to authoritarianism? The Nazis were evil. But all people have the capacity for it.
- magic_hamster 9mo ago
  You're detracting. You made a comparison between Israel and the nazis, which is wrong, and is extremely far reached. Answering with "all people have the capacity for evil" is once again a subtle misdirection which seems like a recurring theme in your comments. This wasn't what you implied. Put simply, Israel and nazis are night and day, you are villifying a country and its people with extreme and factually wrong accusations.
  - ignoramous 9mo ago
    > Israel and nazis are night and day Depends on who you ask. People are allowed to see similarities, like Lebensraum & Occupation, as two examples. They don't need anyone's certification or permission. And intimidation, I believe, has stopped working. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and... I mean, "Judeo-Nazi" was a term coined by an Israeli polymath Yeshayahu Leibowitz & has been part of the Revisionist discourse for quite some time; ex: Better a Living Judeo-Nazi Than a Dead Saint (1983), https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 / https://archive.vn/uX42N https://archive.vn/uX42N