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I just wanna say it's nice to see more people finally waking up and smelling the ashes. I can only hope in the future this genocide will be studied to better un

by jajuuka 8mo ago

I just wanna say it's nice to see more people finally waking up and smelling the ashes. I can only hope in the future this genocide will be studied to better understand the main points of failure to not repeat such a widely event covered event.

incahoots 8mo ago
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- mhb 8mo ago
  And which country will welcome the 8 million people living there?
  - incahoots 8mo ago
    The ones featured in their secondary passports.
dralley 8mo ago
The problem is that both sides lie flagrantly with such frequency that very few claims about the war can be taken at face value. On the other side there was the famous "hospital bombing" news event early in the war where it was claimed that 500 people were killed, and then within a couple of hours it became obvious that the explosion was caused by a misfiring Hamas rocket, with video from multiple angles of the failure, that it hit an empty parking lot in front of the hospital and only blew out the windows and burnt a few cars, and that no more than a handful of people had been killed. And also the repeated claims that Israel were lying about the tunnels under Gaza Hospitals, and make videos of one such strike (a bunker buster penetrating the parking lot just outside the entrance) go viral, only for Hamas to later announce that one of the replacement leaders for Sinwar had been killed in that strike, and for excavation to find the bunkers / tunnel network underneath that very hospital. As well as, earlier in the war, a Hamas bunker w/ data center equipment directly underneath the UNRWA HQ in Gaza. None of that justifies genuine instances of war crimes and atrocities that Israel may have committed, but there's a reason why people tune out some of the extreme claims that fly around.
- Vasbarlog 8mo ago
  > problem is that both sides lie flagrantly And yet one side is committing genocide.
  - suzzer99 8mo ago
    And one side started it by killing 1,200 civilians and kidnapping 250. Which doesn't justify genocide. But it does factor into the response when one side is governed by a death cult that has no problem letting scores of their own civilians die if it furthers their cause.
    - Vasbarlog 8mo ago
      Oh, I didn’t know that the whole conflict started on October 6th. One side is governed by a death cult for sure, if you look at how many children they indiscriminately kill.
      - mhb 8mo ago
        When do you suppose the conflict started?
        Vasbarlog 8mo ago
        When the first Israeli settler stole the home of a Palestinian.
        thenaturalist 8mo ago
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        moi2388 8mo ago
        In the 1947 Palestinian civil war, and they have been attacking and trying to destroy Israel ever since? Also look at what they did in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan. Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are not the good guys here. Not saying Israel is all good either, but let’s put it this way. Where would you want your wife or children to live if given the chance? You can live as a Muslim in Israel, you can’t live as a Christian or Jew in Palestine.
wao0uuno 8mo ago
It's gonna happen again and again and again until the end of humanity.
mattmaroon 8mo ago
It’s strange to me when otherwise intelligent people call this genocide. Genocide is an attempt to exterminate an entire people. Israel is a nuclear armed nation fighting against the equivalent of Dayton, OH. If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day. Collective punishment, or a long term ethnic cleansing would be much more accurate, but you’re just repeating what you read unthinkingly if you say genocide.
- khazhoux 8mo ago
  “Your honor and members of the jury: my client could have easily committed way worse crimes!”
- propagandist 8mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human_rights_groups_accusing_Israel_of_genocide_in_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human...
- wayeq 8mo ago
  > If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day. You can't infer intent that way. Nuking Gaza isn't free, it would introduce an existential threat to Israel. They are toeing a dangerous line already, and using WMDs would align other countries against them really quickly. Putin isn't avoiding using nukes on Ukraine because he's a nice guy.
  - neoromantique 8mo ago
    Why does israel use expensive precise munitions wherever possible rather than their stockpiles of much more deadly "dumb" ones?
    - NickC25 8mo ago
      because it would be admitting to the world that it has said weapons. Israel has always said it doesn't have nuclear weapons. They would have absolutely zero sympathy going forward from any major nation if they decided to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza, and they want that land so rendering that land uninhabitable might not be a good idea.
zaptheimpaler 8mo ago
The media organizations and people who pushed the pro-Israel narrative already understand all of this - it's not a failure, it was their intended goal.

by jajuuka 8mo ago

incahoots 8mo ago

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mhb 8mo ago
And which country will welcome the 8 million people living there?
- incahoots 8mo ago
  The ones featured in their secondary passports.

dralley 8mo ago

The problem is that both sides lie flagrantly with such frequency that very few claims about the war can be taken at face value. On the other side there was the famous "hospital bombing" news event early in the war where it was claimed that 500 people were killed, and then within a couple of hours it became obvious that the explosion was caused by a misfiring Hamas rocket, with video from multiple angles of the failure, that it hit an empty parking lot in front of the hospital and only blew out the windows and burnt a few cars, and that no more than a handful of people had been killed. And also the repeated claims that Israel were lying about the tunnels under Gaza Hospitals, and make videos of one such strike (a bunker buster penetrating the parking lot just outside the entrance) go viral, only for Hamas to later announce that one of the replacement leaders for Sinwar had been killed in that strike, and for excavation to find the bunkers / tunnel network underneath that very hospital. As well as, earlier in the war, a Hamas bunker w/ data center equipment directly underneath the UNRWA HQ in Gaza. None of that justifies genuine instances of war crimes and atrocities that Israel may have committed, but there's a reason why people tune out some of the extreme claims that fly around.

Vasbarlog 8mo ago
> problem is that both sides lie flagrantly And yet one side is committing genocide.
- suzzer99 8mo ago
  And one side started it by killing 1,200 civilians and kidnapping 250. Which doesn't justify genocide. But it does factor into the response when one side is governed by a death cult that has no problem letting scores of their own civilians die if it furthers their cause.
  - Vasbarlog 8mo ago
    Oh, I didn’t know that the whole conflict started on October 6th. One side is governed by a death cult for sure, if you look at how many children they indiscriminately kill.
    - mhb 8mo ago
      When do you suppose the conflict started?
      - Vasbarlog 8mo ago
        When the first Israeli settler stole the home of a Palestinian.
        thenaturalist 8mo ago
        [flagged]
      - moi2388 8mo ago
        In the 1947 Palestinian civil war, and they have been attacking and trying to destroy Israel ever since? Also look at what they did in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan. Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are not the good guys here. Not saying Israel is all good either, but let’s put it this way. Where would you want your wife or children to live if given the chance? You can live as a Muslim in Israel, you can’t live as a Christian or Jew in Palestine.

wao0uuno 8mo ago

It's gonna happen again and again and again until the end of humanity.

mattmaroon 8mo ago

It’s strange to me when otherwise intelligent people call this genocide. Genocide is an attempt to exterminate an entire people. Israel is a nuclear armed nation fighting against the equivalent of Dayton, OH. If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day. Collective punishment, or a long term ethnic cleansing would be much more accurate, but you’re just repeating what you read unthinkingly if you say genocide.

khazhoux 8mo ago
“Your honor and members of the jury: my client could have easily committed way worse crimes!”
propagandist 8mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human_rights_groups_accusing_Israel_of_genocide_in_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human...
wayeq 8mo ago
> If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day. You can't infer intent that way. Nuking Gaza isn't free, it would introduce an existential threat to Israel. They are toeing a dangerous line already, and using WMDs would align other countries against them really quickly. Putin isn't avoiding using nukes on Ukraine because he's a nice guy.
- neoromantique 8mo ago
  Why does israel use expensive precise munitions wherever possible rather than their stockpiles of much more deadly "dumb" ones?
  - NickC25 8mo ago
    because it would be admitting to the world that it has said weapons. Israel has always said it doesn't have nuclear weapons. They would have absolutely zero sympathy going forward from any major nation if they decided to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza, and they want that land so rendering that land uninhabitable might not be a good idea.

zaptheimpaler 8mo ago

The media organizations and people who pushed the pro-Israel narrative already understand all of this - it's not a failure, it was their intended goal.