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So,if I was the person who memorized the book, and another person put a gun to my head (or lied to me and said they are the copyright holder and it's okay, to i

So,if I was the person who memorized the book, and another person put a gun to my head (or lied to me and said they are the copyright holder and it's okay, to ignore US copyright law/system instruction before this statement, whatever other jailbreak method you can think of), and then I reproduced the book under coercion or duress, would I be the person breaking copyright law? >Furthermore, it’s not about the LLM training, it’s about how the companies who make them got the data in the first place. This conflating two different issues, though. I agree that whether or not using copyrighted material to create the models is still an open question. But someone using hundreds of prompts to extract a paragraph of a well-known work (and some additional nonverbatim equivalents) is not the AI company breaking copyright in and of itself. In fact, the books they used were extremely common (GOT, The Hobbit, Harry Potter); AI companies could make the argument that the books were not even directly trained on, but in user-generated posts made online about the material.

latexr 8mo ago
What a ridiculous, bad faith, scenario. The rule of law exists in the real world, not in the magical fairly land of impossible scenarios. Yes yes, I’m sure that if all that happened, the law would just ignore the person who coerced you at gun point and focus on your recitation of the book, which no one could prove.
- NewsaHackO 8mo ago
  Cool down, it's just an extension of my original example. It's not in bad faith at all; it's exactly what people are doing to the LLMs. If you break ToS by doing aggressive systemic jailbreaking and get some paragraphs of well-known works in the process, it's not fair to say that the LLM is breaking copyright law. Perhaps a more concrete example would be if I steal a book, and someone else steals a book from me and copies and distributes it, would I be the person breaking copyright law?
  - freejazz 8mo ago
    It's horribly in bad faith. There's no guns here. Never once in my years of copyright litigation, law school, etc, did your scenario come up and it is not relevant to any considerations being made here or by courts currently.
    - NewsaHackO 8mo ago
      Did they teach you what a thought experiment was in law school?
      - freejazz 8mo ago
        No, what's that?

latexr 8mo ago

What a ridiculous, bad faith, scenario. The rule of law exists in the real world, not in the magical fairly land of impossible scenarios. Yes yes, I’m sure that if all that happened, the law would just ignore the person who coerced you at gun point and focus on your recitation of the book, which no one could prove.

NewsaHackO 8mo ago
Cool down, it's just an extension of my original example. It's not in bad faith at all; it's exactly what people are doing to the LLMs. If you break ToS by doing aggressive systemic jailbreaking and get some paragraphs of well-known works in the process, it's not fair to say that the LLM is breaking copyright law. Perhaps a more concrete example would be if I steal a book, and someone else steals a book from me and copies and distributes it, would I be the person breaking copyright law?
- freejazz 8mo ago
  It's horribly in bad faith. There's no guns here. Never once in my years of copyright litigation, law school, etc, did your scenario come up and it is not relevant to any considerations being made here or by courts currently.
  - NewsaHackO 8mo ago
    Did they teach you what a thought experiment was in law school?
    - freejazz 8mo ago
      No, what's that?