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>There's no special protection for works that a human has memorized. Who's liable for the copyright infringement if you can coax it out of a system? If you can

by gruez 9mo ago

>There's no special protection for works that a human has memorized. Who's liable for the copyright infringement if you can coax it out of a system? If you can bypass paywalls by using google's cache feature (or since they got rid of it, but using carefully crafted queries to extract the entire text via snippets), is google on the hook or the person doing it?

olyjohn 9mo ago
Both. If I sell obviously pirated CDs on the street corner, it's not only illegal for me to copy them and sell them, it's also illegal for my customers to buy them.
- gruez 9mo ago
  >it's also illegal for my customers to buy them. Is it? There's plenty of people prosecuted for running illegal streaming sites and torrenting (which involves uploading), but I don't know of any efforts to crack down on non-distributors.
  - freejazz 9mo ago
    Just because someone doesn't get arrested does not mean something is legal
eptcyka 9mo ago
Yes. Both Google and the human in question.
- gruez 9mo ago
  1. How does this interact with the ruling that both google books (ie. large scale scanning of books without author's consent) and google snippets (the same, but for websites) have been ruled legal by the courts? 2. Google might not be the most sympathetic defendant, but what about libraries? They offer books to be borrowed, and some offer photocopiers. If you put the two together, you get a copyright infringement operation, all enabled by the library. Should libraries be on the hook too?
  - butlike 9mo ago
    For #2 yes...you would be engaging in copyright infringement. The library, being on the hook, would probably ask you to stop if they noticed you copying full books. If not the first time, certainly on the second
ShowalkKama 9mo ago
>If you can bypass paywalls by using google's cache feature that is quite different. Google serves (used to serve) to its users whatever the website presents to its crawler, it does not try to avoid paywalls or interact with the website in any capacity other than requesting information

by gruez 9mo ago

olyjohn 9mo ago

Both. If I sell obviously pirated CDs on the street corner, it's not only illegal for me to copy them and sell them, it's also illegal for my customers to buy them.

gruez 9mo ago
>it's also illegal for my customers to buy them. Is it? There's plenty of people prosecuted for running illegal streaming sites and torrenting (which involves uploading), but I don't know of any efforts to crack down on non-distributors.
- freejazz 9mo ago
  Just because someone doesn't get arrested does not mean something is legal

eptcyka 9mo ago

Yes. Both Google and the human in question.

gruez 9mo ago
1. How does this interact with the ruling that both google books (ie. large scale scanning of books without author's consent) and google snippets (the same, but for websites) have been ruled legal by the courts? 2. Google might not be the most sympathetic defendant, but what about libraries? They offer books to be borrowed, and some offer photocopiers. If you put the two together, you get a copyright infringement operation, all enabled by the library. Should libraries be on the hook too?
- butlike 9mo ago
  For #2 yes...you would be engaging in copyright infringement. The library, being on the hook, would probably ask you to stop if they noticed you copying full books. If not the first time, certainly on the second

ShowalkKama 9mo ago

>If you can bypass paywalls by using google's cache feature that is quite different. Google serves (used to serve) to its users whatever the website presents to its crawler, it does not try to avoid paywalls or interact with the website in any capacity other than requesting information