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Stack Overflow's Original 99designs Logo Contest
- sgdesign 14y agoI would just like to point out that Stack Exchange doesn't use 99designs anymore. Here's just an example: http://www.usabilitypost.com/2011/04/22/designing-ux-exchange/ http://www.usabilitypost.com/2011/04/22/designing-ux-exchang...
- dmazin 14y agoBy the way, here's the poll for the name: http://www.addpoll.com/results?14407 http://www.addpoll.com/results?14407 Private Void isn't so bad!
- pan69 14y agoDon't understand why publicfunction.com isn't in that list. :)
- alanh 14y agoI voted in that. I know I didn’t like Stack Overflow because it is a negative thing, and I thought it’d be better to choose a name with a positive association; but obviously it’s not been a problem. I don’t remember what I did vote for. I don’t love any of those candidates.
- pbiggar 14y agodereferenced.com would have been pretty good too.
- stevewillows 14y agoCan anyone explain how something like this works for the graphic designer? The service says 'more for less' -- which for me is 'more [design] for less [money]'.
- DrStalker 14y agoMy understanding: You give some information about what you want. You offer a prize for the best logo ($512 in this case.) Anyone can submit a logo. You pick your favorite, pay the prize money, and the logo is yours to use or not use as you see fit. Even if you get no logos you like you're only out the prize money, which is a lot cheaper than a talented designer would cost. It's great for a business that needs a cheap logo, not so great for designers making a living from logo design. I don't know who owns rights for non-winning logos.
- evoxed 14y agoAll participating designers should read the terms for the site they're using (obviously) but in general they retain all rights to their own work if not chosen. The most common exception is for promotional purposes, i.e. if the site wants to run a campaign they can use your image without requiring any notification.
- stevewillows 14y agoIt's sad to see the amazing work that gets submitted in hopes of obtaining a percentage of what they could make with a proper client. I'm curious as to how many other graphic designers are outsourcing their work there...
- davebees 14y agoWow — they paid $1.70 per design. Were sites like 99designs as taboo then as they seem to be now?
- citricsquid 14y agoI'm assuming a significant portion[1][2][3] were not "real" logos, it seems half the first page are the sort of standard someone might pay for and the rest of generally cutesy "logos" that people submitted for fun. I guess it doesn't change your core point (designers get stiffed in competitions) but it's not as if this case is average -- at least I hope it isn't. [1] http://99designs.co.uk/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/80 http://99designs.co.uk/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverfl... [2] http://99designs.co.uk/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/37 http://99designs.co.uk/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverfl... [3] http://99designs.co.uk/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/36 http://99designs.co.uk/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverfl...
- jorts 14y agoThe only experience I've had with 99designs was through a friend but he had really good responses. Do you mind sharing what's so taboo about using it?
- FreeKill 14y agoI think the "taboo" in this case is the same way some people feel about sites like rentacoder or guru where the programmer (in this case designer) has to work their tail off trying to land a paying job where as the client pays next to nothing comparative to how much spec work they are getting done for free. Although in my opinion, no one is forcing either to work with those sites and in fact a lot of top designers stay away for just that reason. It devalues what they think their time is worth... So, some people who work in a similar contracting style field feel it's taboo to hire someone in another field using a process you think is exploitative in your own field.
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- ronaldj 14y agoThis is obviously the best one: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/80 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow...
- wilfra 14y agoand he gave it one star, no sense of humor
- hackerboos 14y agoIf you know how 99 Designs works then you would know that awarding multiple stars to this logo would change the submissions after to be all pancake related. When a designer shows an interest in a logo, then all other designs follow suit and basically 'spin-off' that logo.
- javis 14y agoThere are some truly awful designs on there. They defiantly made the right choice.
- rolleiflex 14y agoI will probably be scalded here for saying this here, but here it goes: this just dropped my appreciation of Jeff Attwood and Stack Overflow two notches. I just cannot appreciate a developer using such a site, while a sizeable portion of developers also work on very similar premises compared with designers; hourly payment and no spec work. (i.e. we'll buy your application if we like it.) For some people, mostly executives and other business oriented disciplines, this is a fair deal as it is what the free market bears; they do not and will not care about long-term health of the industry, the other side of the stick, or the designer on the line. It just doesn’t click for them, and that’s understandable somewhat because they’ve never been in a similar situation before. But a developer using this service knows exactly what this entails, they are aware of the concept of spec-work, and maybe even had to do it for some reason. My problem is not the amount of money per-se, but with doing work for nothing, hoping that it will pay in the future. A developer cannot claim ignorance. It’s just plain nonchalant lack of empathy.
- natrius 14y agoI don't understand this sort of complaint. Are the participating designers being deceived? Are they being forced to participate? Are they being subjected to conditions that are hazardous to their health? If not, what is wrong with participating in this sort of thing? I am a happy 99designs customer, and I sleep well at night.
- jorts 14y agoI agree. It's by choice that people participate in this type of website, with the knowledge that they may not be paid. No one is forcing designers to partake.
- rolleiflex 14y agoYou're making the same argument that a well-rounded executive would make, as I said in my post. It's what the free market bears. You certainly have the right to use 99designs, and I'm happy you're satisfied using it.
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- nhebb 14y agoWhat I envision when I see some of these - Waterfall model: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/182 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow... Bubble sort: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/145 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow... Recycle bin: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/191 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow... Broken database: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/286 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow...
- andrewfelix 14y ago99 designs is a disgusting waste of resources and talent. If you're a designer like me, you'll get much more value investing your time in building long lasting relationships. If you're looking for a design, please put in the effort and get to know a designer. Most are incredibly hard working and won't be happy until your happy.
- pbiggar 14y agoI see from this comment and others on the page that you're very angry about 99designs, and people who use it. I can see why - it commoditizes your profession. But can you see it from the other side? There are clearly designers (starting out, living in low cost economies, etc) who are happy enough to use it, and it's not always possible to pay a designer until we're both happy.
- andrewfelix 14y ago>happy enough to use it 'Desperate' is a more appropriate term. >"...not always possible to pay a designer until we're both happy." In my opinion a fair amount of work should receive a fair amount of pay. There would be untold wasted hours invested in 99design jobs that were never won because of a trivial differences between two or three leading designs. Graphic designers aren't pitching to invest time and labour for the opportunity to work. They're actually investing the time first and just crossing theire fingers. I'm not angry at companies using 99 designs, I'm annoyed at the system and those who enable it, including the designers themselves. If you have $300 to spend on a logo, there are hundreds of good designers out there who will take the time to get to know your needs and develop a solution that you're happy with.
- natrius 14y agoChoosing a designer is hard. Using 99designs freed me from that task. The final comparison comes down to $300 for a logo vs. $300 plus the time and effort required to find the right designer plus the risk they'll produce something you don't like. I took the former deal, and I continue to think it was the right one.
- readme 14y agoThis one looks a lot like the current server fault logo http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/265 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow...
- dhotson 14y agoSo does this one: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-serverfault-20088 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-serverfault-2... ;-)
- camus 14y agoI cant wait to see 99developments created ! would be great to get 302 developments by 102 developpers for 500$ ! would save a lot of money...
- tomjen3 14y agoI wouldn't do that if I were you. The quality is likely to be about the same as what you can get on outsourcing sites and if that is good enough (and it might be) then there is no reason to wait, potentially for years.
- camus 14y agomy comment was purely sarcastic. I despise services like 99designs, but these are the laws of the "free market".
- supo 14y agohttp://www.topcoder.com http://www.topcoder.com ?
- mortenjorck 14y agoInstead of voicing yet more disapproval for 99designs, I'd like to make a positive suggestion for anyone looking to save money on a branding project: Go to a portfolio network like Behance.net and browse the portfolios under branding. You'll find plenty of interesting, talented, and available designers, many of whom are just starting out or live in far-flung places with low overheads. It won't be quite as fast or cheap as going with the crowdsourced alternative, but it will definitely be faster and cheaper than going with a firm that touts big-name clients. Most importantly, you'll get to experience a real design process, and maybe even forge a relationship with someone who gets to know your business and what you're looking for when you need more design work.
- sgdesign 14y agoMay I suggest also trying out http://folyo.me http://folyo.me ? It's basically like Dribbble or Behance, except I've personally selected every designer on there, and you can also reach them all at once by email if you post a job.
- tomjen3 14y agoWhy go that route when you yourself admit it is not as cheap?
- shredfvz 14y agoTo the professional designers here, how much guaranteed prize money would it take for you to participate in crowdsourcing contests for app design? Sites like Folyo are a good idea, and I'm happy to see so many designers on HN, but as someone who's worked with crowdsourcing sites and pro designers one-on-one, it's much better as a client to have multiple designers working on your idea simultaneously based on a single crowdsourcing design brief than finding good designers on Dribbble/Folyo, building relationships with individuals who may or may not be a good fit, and then managing relationships with the candidates who happen to be available and oh they want to get paid $150/hr up front for work that isn't guaranteed to work for you, be on time, on budget, etc. I would much rather pay $10,000 guaranteed if it meant having Folyo level designers compete to deliver something based on a design brief. Overall, I think crowdsourcing is a much better arrangement than pay 'N pray. It leads to a wider range of options, more creativity, and ultimately gives clients better results.
- jongalloway2 14y agoLet's flip this around: Jeff paid $512 and got a logo that's definitely done its job. It's recognizable, tasteful and fits with the site design. The company has continued with this design and has been very successful. So it's clearly worked. What may not be immediately obvious is why it worked: Jeff had a clear aesthetic in mind and applied it throughout the contest. You can see that from the feedback process on these designs. Professional designers offer more than mechanical skills with Photoshop and Illustrator, they bring a few other things to the table: - A sense of taste (which many business owners lack) - An ability to synthesize multiple inputs and determine what's important - Strategies for selling a design to a committee of decision makers who can't agree - etc. etc. In many cases, these soft skills are a huge value add to a business or project. In some cases, though - a developer who's got a good idea of an overall aesthetic, no need to convince a big group, etc. - all that's really needed is the mechanical work: show me a bunch of designs and I'll pick the best one. In this sort of situation, there's little value to add.
- ericcholis 14y agoI'd like to echo the best point of your comment, "Strategies for selling a design to a committee of decision makers who can't agree". I think that many of these design by committee or contests fail greatly in part of the solicitors, not the designers. In most instances, a bad design is a bad design and won't be chosen. But, it's up to the client to have enough sense to choose the correct design.
- bennyg 14y agoI totally agree. It's amazing what a little bit of thought into the problem can do when designing a logo. There's gonna' be a lot of cookie-cutter logos in competitions like this - but one with insight and aesthetic taste is hard to come by. Most good designers move past this type of freelance work pretty quickly by virtue of their trade.
- kyberias 14y agoMy personal favourite: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow-6774/entries/183 http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/logo-stackoverflow...
- darklajid 14y agoMy pet peeve.. Redirects me to http://99designs.de/... http://99designs.de/.... Top bar with '99designs.de now speaks German! Switch to English or continue with German.' and most content (the 'ui') is in German, mixed with original English parts (English contest title, English comments). The amount is listed as 512$ and seems awkward (for Euro that's fine, for $ it looks out of place). My browser sends 'Accept-Language en-US,en;q=0.5'. Clearly the site ignores my preferences and web standards. I won't return.
- lox 14y agoFollowed up via email, this sounds like a bug which we'll look at. We use geoIP for the ccTLD redirect, but then Accept headers should dictate the language subdomain.
- juanpdelat 14y agoWondering if the $512 reward had anything to do with being geek.
- degenerate 14y agoMost definitely.
- idealancer 14y agoInteresting that the Stack Overflow team also had a contest for superuser.com on crowdspring.com http://www.crowdspring.com/project/1247533_logo-for-superusercom/details/ http://www.crowdspring.com/project/1247533_logo-for-superuse...