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Mandatory state ideology is very worrisome.

by josefritzishere 9mo ago

jsbisviewtiful 9mo ago
This seems like something the current SCOTUS would shut down very quickly, but I could be wrong.
- mindslight 9mo ago
  This seems like something the current SCOTUS might shut down in 13 months. Long enough to do some real damage to our country, but short enough that true believers will claim it was never given a chance.
- lenerdenator 9mo ago
  So was racial profiling for the sake of immigration enforcement, but, well...
  - deleted 9mo ago
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- drivingmenuts 9mo ago
  The current SCOTUS has, so far, given the Trump administration a lot of rope to hang us by. If they use it to hang themselves remains to be seen.
  - actionfromafar 9mo ago
    Down the road they are taking us, there's rope for everyone. A-plenty. Even for them, even though they may believe otherwise now. There's no loyalty among thieves.
conductr 9mo ago
Nothing mandatory, so no worries
- josefritzishere 9mo ago
  With respect... the FCC is a regulatory agency. There is an obvious set of forcing functions here. It's not normal and is very concerning.
  - themafia 9mo ago
    They're not a rulemaking agency. They're very tightly bound by an entire dedicated section of the US Title Code. More importantly licensees pledge to serve their _local_ communities and maintain _local_ standards. That's the entire well documented point of the license system. As such the FCC has very little actual authority over stations outside of general technical requirements of the radio broadcast itself and no authority over content unless prompted by local complaints.
    - pseudalopex 8mo ago
      > They're not a rulemaking agency. Does this phrase have non obvious meaning? They are an agency and make rules.[1] > As such the FCC has very little actual authority over stations outside of general technical requirements of the radio broadcast itself and no authority over content unless prompted by local complaints. To prompt local complaints would be trivial. [1] https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-rulemaking https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-rulemaking
  - conductr 9mo ago
    It’s pretty common of regulators to ask things of those they regulate. CMS asks for input regarding healthcare changes, EPA asks for input on new standards, and so one. Is there some impression that regulators just blindly bark orders and are punitive to those that don’t comply, even when compliance isn’t mandatory? Be as cynical as you want but I see this as pretty innocent and wish we still had a patriotic culture in America and I support finding ways to try to rebuild it. This seems reasonable and was only a request for common good of the nation. Make it political all you want but I don’t think that’s what it is.
  - josefritzishere 9mo ago
ViscountPenguin 9mo ago
This has been a thing in the USA for a long time hasn't it? Iirc, they have (legally not mandatory, but functionally mandatory) pledges at the start of every school day right?
- rkomorn 9mo ago
  They never made me say it but they did make me stand while the other kids did. That said... that was more than three decades ago. I was only 9 the first time it happened but even back then it felt really weird.
- dghlsakjg 9mo ago
  Some schools do it some don’t. Participation is never mandatory and retaliation or forcing the pledge is an invitation for an expensive civil rights suit.
  - tombert 9mo ago
    Wait, which schools don't do it? I've never heard of a school not doing it. Are there states that don't do the pledge? Even if it's not strictly "mandatory" there can be substantial pressure in conservative areas. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47095381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47095381
    - dghlsakjg 9mo ago
      I definitely never did it in high school in Denver, nor did any of the other schools that my friends went to in the city. I don’t have a list of schools for you. Sure peer pressure can be a thing (at the school I went to you would have been bullied for doing the pledge), but it is pretty firmly established law that a student has every right to not participate and not be pressured to participate by public school staff.
      - tombert 9mo ago
        Interesting, didn't know that was a thing in Denver. No need for a list of schools. In my case the pressure came from my teachers and the principal. I never got in any official trouble but I was sent to the principal's office for refusing to say it and it required a phone call with my dad for them to begrudgingly let me continue to not say it.

Mandatory state ideology is very worrisome.

jsbisviewtiful 9mo ago

This seems like something the current SCOTUS would shut down very quickly, but I could be wrong.

mindslight 9mo ago
This seems like something the current SCOTUS might shut down in 13 months. Long enough to do some real damage to our country, but short enough that true believers will claim it was never given a chance.
lenerdenator 9mo ago
So was racial profiling for the sake of immigration enforcement, but, well...
- deleted 9mo ago
  [deleted]
drivingmenuts 9mo ago
The current SCOTUS has, so far, given the Trump administration a lot of rope to hang us by. If they use it to hang themselves remains to be seen.
- actionfromafar 9mo ago
  Down the road they are taking us, there's rope for everyone. A-plenty. Even for them, even though they may believe otherwise now. There's no loyalty among thieves.

conductr 9mo ago

Nothing mandatory, so no worries

josefritzishere 9mo ago
With respect... the FCC is a regulatory agency. There is an obvious set of forcing functions here. It's not normal and is very concerning.
- themafia 9mo ago
  They're not a rulemaking agency. They're very tightly bound by an entire dedicated section of the US Title Code. More importantly licensees pledge to serve their _local_ communities and maintain _local_ standards. That's the entire well documented point of the license system. As such the FCC has very little actual authority over stations outside of general technical requirements of the radio broadcast itself and no authority over content unless prompted by local complaints.
  - pseudalopex 8mo ago
    > They're not a rulemaking agency. Does this phrase have non obvious meaning? They are an agency and make rules.[1] > As such the FCC has very little actual authority over stations outside of general technical requirements of the radio broadcast itself and no authority over content unless prompted by local complaints. To prompt local complaints would be trivial. [1] https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-rulemaking https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-rulemaking
- conductr 9mo ago
  It’s pretty common of regulators to ask things of those they regulate. CMS asks for input regarding healthcare changes, EPA asks for input on new standards, and so one. Is there some impression that regulators just blindly bark orders and are punitive to those that don’t comply, even when compliance isn’t mandatory? Be as cynical as you want but I see this as pretty innocent and wish we still had a patriotic culture in America and I support finding ways to try to rebuild it. This seems reasonable and was only a request for common good of the nation. Make it political all you want but I don’t think that’s what it is.
- josefritzishere 9mo ago

ViscountPenguin 9mo ago

This has been a thing in the USA for a long time hasn't it? Iirc, they have (legally not mandatory, but functionally mandatory) pledges at the start of every school day right?

rkomorn 9mo ago
They never made me say it but they did make me stand while the other kids did. That said... that was more than three decades ago. I was only 9 the first time it happened but even back then it felt really weird.
dghlsakjg 9mo ago
Some schools do it some don’t. Participation is never mandatory and retaliation or forcing the pledge is an invitation for an expensive civil rights suit.
- tombert 9mo ago
  Wait, which schools don't do it? I've never heard of a school not doing it. Are there states that don't do the pledge? Even if it's not strictly "mandatory" there can be substantial pressure in conservative areas. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47095381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47095381
  - dghlsakjg 9mo ago
    I definitely never did it in high school in Denver, nor did any of the other schools that my friends went to in the city. I don’t have a list of schools for you. Sure peer pressure can be a thing (at the school I went to you would have been bullied for doing the pledge), but it is pretty firmly established law that a student has every right to not participate and not be pressured to participate by public school staff.
    - tombert 9mo ago
      Interesting, didn't know that was a thing in Denver. No need for a list of schools. In my case the pressure came from my teachers and the principal. I never got in any official trouble but I was sent to the principal's office for refusing to say it and it required a phone call with my dad for them to begrudgingly let me continue to not say it.