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>In emails sent to Patokallio after the DDoS began, “Nora” from Archive.today threatened to create a public association between Patokallio’s name and AI porn an

>In emails sent to Patokallio after the DDoS began, “Nora” from Archive.today threatened to create a public association between Patokallio’s name and AI porn and to create a gay dating app with Patokallio’s name. Oh good. That's definitely a reasonable thing to do or think. The raw sociopathy of some people. Getting doxxed isn't good, but this response is unhinged.

ouhamouch 8mo ago
That was private negotiations, btw, not public statements. In response to J.P's blog already framed AT as project grown from a carding forum + pushed his speculations onto ArsTechnica, whose parent company just destroyed 12ft and is on to a new victim. The story is full of untold conflicts of interests covered with soap opera around DDoS.
- Yossarrian22 8mo ago
  Can you elaborate on your point?
  - ouhamouch 8mo ago
    The fight is not about where it is shown and not about what, not about "links in Wikipedia", but about whether News Inc will be able to kill AT, as they did with 12FT.
    - Yossarrian22 8mo ago
      What is News Inc? Are they a funder of Wikipedia(I think Wikipedia didn’t have a parent company so they’re not owners)?
      - ouhamouch 8mo ago
        They are owner of ArsTechnica which wrote 3rd (or 4th?) article on AT in a row painting it in certain colors. The article about FBI subpoena that pulled J.P's speculations out of the closet was also in ArsTechnica and by the same author, and that same article explicitly mentioned how they are happy with 12ft down
        Yossarrian22 8mo ago
        … Ars is owned by Conde Nast?
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        ouhamouch 8mo ago
        from the Ars article: --- US publishers have been fighting web services designed to bypass paywalls. In July, the News/Media Alliance said it secured the takedown of paywall-bypass website 12ft.io. “Following the News/Media Alliance’s efforts, the webhost promptly locked 12ft.io on Monday, July 14th,” the group said. (Ars Technica owner Condé Nast is a member of the alliance.) ---
- MBCook 8mo ago
  Why does it matter it was a private communications? It’s still a threat isn’t it?
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jMyles 8mo ago
It's a reminder how fragile and tenuous are the connections between our browser/client outlays, our societal perceptions of online norms, and our laws. We live at a moment where it's trivially easy to frame possession of an unsavory (or even illegal) number on another person's storage media, without that person even realizing (and possibly, with some WebRTC craftiness and social engineering, even get them to pass on the taboo payload to others).
oytis 8mo ago
I mean, the admin of archive.today might face jail time if deanonymised, kind of understandable he's nervous. Meanwhile for Patokallio it's just curiosity and clicks

ouhamouch 8mo ago

That was private negotiations, btw, not public statements. In response to J.P's blog already framed AT as project grown from a carding forum + pushed his speculations onto ArsTechnica, whose parent company just destroyed 12ft and is on to a new victim. The story is full of untold conflicts of interests covered with soap opera around DDoS.

Yossarrian22 8mo ago
Can you elaborate on your point?
- ouhamouch 8mo ago
  The fight is not about where it is shown and not about what, not about "links in Wikipedia", but about whether News Inc will be able to kill AT, as they did with 12FT.
  - Yossarrian22 8mo ago
    What is News Inc? Are they a funder of Wikipedia(I think Wikipedia didn’t have a parent company so they’re not owners)?
    - ouhamouch 8mo ago
      They are owner of ArsTechnica which wrote 3rd (or 4th?) article on AT in a row painting it in certain colors. The article about FBI subpoena that pulled J.P's speculations out of the closet was also in ArsTechnica and by the same author, and that same article explicitly mentioned how they are happy with 12ft down
      - Yossarrian22 8mo ago
        … Ars is owned by Conde Nast?
        deleted 8mo ago
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        ouhamouch 8mo ago
        from the Ars article: --- US publishers have been fighting web services designed to bypass paywalls. In July, the News/Media Alliance said it secured the takedown of paywall-bypass website 12ft.io. “Following the News/Media Alliance’s efforts, the webhost promptly locked 12ft.io on Monday, July 14th,” the group said. (Ars Technica owner Condé Nast is a member of the alliance.) ---
MBCook 8mo ago
Why does it matter it was a private communications? It’s still a threat isn’t it?
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]

jMyles 8mo ago

It's a reminder how fragile and tenuous are the connections between our browser/client outlays, our societal perceptions of online norms, and our laws. We live at a moment where it's trivially easy to frame possession of an unsavory (or even illegal) number on another person's storage media, without that person even realizing (and possibly, with some WebRTC craftiness and social engineering, even get them to pass on the taboo payload to others).

oytis 8mo ago

I mean, the admin of archive.today might face jail time if deanonymised, kind of understandable he's nervous. Meanwhile for Patokallio it's just curiosity and clicks