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We have cases where people grow up in the US, are natural born Americans, and they are taking paychecks to go compete against America in the Olympics. Americans

We have cases where people grow up in the US, are natural born Americans, and they are taking paychecks to go compete against America in the Olympics. Americans are excusing this as "at least she got her bag". The effects of post-modernism, and this idea that there is no objective truth nor morality is slowly destroying society. When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US.

raincole 8mo ago
This is satire right? You're comparing stealing intelligence for Iran to... playing sports in the Olympics?
- ecshafer 8mo ago
  Its all part of the same idea. The idea that you can be in America, and not be loyal to America, that America is fundamentally evil and not worth loyalty. That things like money are more important than your country.
  - mrguyorama 8mo ago
    When Albert Einstein fled germany to help the USA build nukes to destroy germany, was that good or bad?
ceejayoz 8mo ago
> When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US. But your example cites a "natural born American", not an immigrant?
542354234235 8mo ago
The Olympics are games. No one is hurt by someone playing for another team. Are people disloyal to America if they vacation in a foreign country? They are siphoning American money off to a foreign country instead of patriotically traveling inside the US of A. Don’t watch the Great British Bake Off! You are giving your American attention to a foreign show over the great Home Grown American TV!
pphysch 8mo ago
I'm guessing this doesn't cut the other way? Like US doesn't have to give back all its foreign-born scientists and engineers (and some athletes).
ux266478 8mo ago
And in your mind moral objectivism fixes this how? You equate these things to post-modernism, do you believe disloyalty came to exist in the world for the first time during 1950s?
laughingcurve 8mo ago
Eileen Gu, who you are talking about here, is a prime example of the strange issue of misplaced loyalty to a country that is far more abusive than USA
koe123 8mo ago
From your perspective I feel like you have not spoken to many immigrants. Loyalty over ones own home country because you get a paycheck through some semi-exploitative H1B scheme cannot reasonably be expected.
CodesInChaos 8mo ago
> When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US. An immigrant who hasn't at least applied for citizenship definitely doesn't owe loyalty to their country of residence.
dietr1ch 8mo ago
> When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US. When you immigrate to any country you know very little about how the country really is and how well it'll treat you. It's up to the country to gain a citizen, otherwise the ties are just monetary while the job lasts.

raincole 8mo ago

This is satire right? You're comparing stealing intelligence for Iran to... playing sports in the Olympics?

ecshafer 8mo ago
Its all part of the same idea. The idea that you can be in America, and not be loyal to America, that America is fundamentally evil and not worth loyalty. That things like money are more important than your country.
- mrguyorama 8mo ago
  When Albert Einstein fled germany to help the USA build nukes to destroy germany, was that good or bad?

ceejayoz 8mo ago

> When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US. But your example cites a "natural born American", not an immigrant?

542354234235 8mo ago

The Olympics are games. No one is hurt by someone playing for another team. Are people disloyal to America if they vacation in a foreign country? They are siphoning American money off to a foreign country instead of patriotically traveling inside the US of A. Don’t watch the Great British Bake Off! You are giving your American attention to a foreign show over the great Home Grown American TV!

pphysch 8mo ago

I'm guessing this doesn't cut the other way? Like US doesn't have to give back all its foreign-born scientists and engineers (and some athletes).

ux266478 8mo ago

And in your mind moral objectivism fixes this how? You equate these things to post-modernism, do you believe disloyalty came to exist in the world for the first time during 1950s?

laughingcurve 8mo ago

Eileen Gu, who you are talking about here, is a prime example of the strange issue of misplaced loyalty to a country that is far more abusive than USA

koe123 8mo ago

From your perspective I feel like you have not spoken to many immigrants. Loyalty over ones own home country because you get a paycheck through some semi-exploitative H1B scheme cannot reasonably be expected.

CodesInChaos 8mo ago

> When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US. An immigrant who hasn't at least applied for citizenship definitely doesn't owe loyalty to their country of residence.

dietr1ch 8mo ago

> When someone immigrates to the US it should be clear to them that their loyalty belongs to the US. When you immigrate to any country you know very little about how the country really is and how well it'll treat you. It's up to the country to gain a citizen, otherwise the ties are just monetary while the job lasts.