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I agree with you that the migrant workers are effectively a serf class. However, I think it's fine that the SG government severely discourages owning a car. It'

I agree with you that the migrant workers are effectively a serf class. However, I think it's fine that the SG government severely discourages owning a car. It's a small island with lots of people, there would be gridlock if everyone wanted their own car. The public transportation system is amazing and works well.

SV_BubbleTime 8mo ago
I promise you do not need to explain scarcity to me :) the issue is that the disparity between I can’t afford a car, and I will never be able to afford a car is vast. The slave class exist to do nothing but serve (be on the street at 2300, it’s poor people running power washers everywhere you go). The entire country runs on Chinese goods in shipping containers going to the US. It’s a tax state. Don’t get me wrong, unique place, I loved it. But ya, not what it seems, lah.
- eru 8mo ago
  > The entire country runs on Chinese goods in shipping containers going to the US. It’s a tax state. If that's true: tell me, why do people in the US or China pay for an expensive transit in Singapore? > (be on the street at 2300, it’s poor people running power washers everywhere you go). What?
  - quibono 8mo ago
    If you go out into the street at 11pm you'll see poor people running power washers everywhere you go
    - eru 8mo ago
      I've lived here since 2017. I have yet to see the poor people running power washers at night. Which neighbourhood do you suggest I visit for this spectacle?
      - quibono 8mo ago
        By the way I'm not GP, I just wanted to clarify what they said (or attempted to). Apologies.
        eru 8mo ago
        No worries. I understood perfectly well what they said. I just couldn't believe they said something so stupid.
- ii41 8mo ago
  > disparity between I can’t afford a car, and I will never be able to afford a car is vast There's no disparity. Either way you're not going to own a car any time soon. You're not freer when the legal system prevents you to do something because you don't have enough money than when the legal system prevents you from doing that thing for other reasons.
eru 8mo ago
> I agree with you that the migrant workers are effectively a serf class. Sounds like the Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics? Or 'out of sight, out of mind'?
- itemize123 8mo ago
  not everyone has the same ethics or even subscribes to that
  - eru 8mo ago
    Exactly, some people think 'out of sight, out of mind' is great ethics! See https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-ethics https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/...
    - itemize123 8mo ago
      no, more precisely, they can actively think about it and still believe it's not an issue. For example they can justify that the migrant workers are given a choice etc or it's better than some of their alternative.
      - eru 8mo ago
        If it's not clear: that's pretty close to what I believe, yes. Calling the opposite position 'out of sight, out of mind' or 'The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics' kind of gives my disdain for it away, I thought?

SV_BubbleTime 8mo ago

I promise you do not need to explain scarcity to me :) the issue is that the disparity between I can’t afford a car, and I will never be able to afford a car is vast. The slave class exist to do nothing but serve (be on the street at 2300, it’s poor people running power washers everywhere you go). The entire country runs on Chinese goods in shipping containers going to the US. It’s a tax state. Don’t get me wrong, unique place, I loved it. But ya, not what it seems, lah.

eru 8mo ago
> The entire country runs on Chinese goods in shipping containers going to the US. It’s a tax state. If that's true: tell me, why do people in the US or China pay for an expensive transit in Singapore? > (be on the street at 2300, it’s poor people running power washers everywhere you go). What?
- quibono 8mo ago
  If you go out into the street at 11pm you'll see poor people running power washers everywhere you go
  - eru 8mo ago
    I've lived here since 2017. I have yet to see the poor people running power washers at night. Which neighbourhood do you suggest I visit for this spectacle?
    - quibono 8mo ago
      By the way I'm not GP, I just wanted to clarify what they said (or attempted to). Apologies.
      - eru 8mo ago
        No worries. I understood perfectly well what they said. I just couldn't believe they said something so stupid.
ii41 8mo ago
> disparity between I can’t afford a car, and I will never be able to afford a car is vast There's no disparity. Either way you're not going to own a car any time soon. You're not freer when the legal system prevents you to do something because you don't have enough money than when the legal system prevents you from doing that thing for other reasons.

eru 8mo ago

> I agree with you that the migrant workers are effectively a serf class. Sounds like the Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics? Or 'out of sight, out of mind'?

itemize123 8mo ago
not everyone has the same ethics or even subscribes to that
- eru 8mo ago
  Exactly, some people think 'out of sight, out of mind' is great ethics! See https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-ethics https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/...
  - itemize123 8mo ago
    no, more precisely, they can actively think about it and still believe it's not an issue. For example they can justify that the migrant workers are given a choice etc or it's better than some of their alternative.
    - eru 8mo ago
      If it's not clear: that's pretty close to what I believe, yes. Calling the opposite position 'out of sight, out of mind' or 'The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics' kind of gives my disdain for it away, I thought?