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> The US was quite unique Well, based on the current admin and supporters, only part of the US was unique

by dylan604 9mo ago

inglor_cz 9mo ago
That is a trivial observation. A nation of such size can hardly be a hive mind with totally homogeneous politics.
- Bukhmanizer 9mo ago
  You’re right best reserve such observations for small nations like China
- dylan604 9mo ago
  Yeah. And? So? When the part of the country that was less unique took power, they immediately did what everyone else that was not unique did and became unwelcoming of foreigners. I guess to you other countries that the US is becoming more like would also not be of a hive mind by having people that are welcoming of foreigners. Where's your hive mind comment about that part of the original comment?
- dougfelt 9mo ago
  Yet China is 3 times as big and you are quite comfortable treating it this way
bluGill 9mo ago
That has always been true, and for everywhere. However very few countries are anywhere near as accepting for foreigners as the US as a whole despite the many who are not. Canada is just as accepting from what I can tell - I don't know enough about Australia to know. Most other countries are far worse - though many will not admit it just how bad their country is.
- denkmoon 9mo ago
  Sadly Australia is very welcoming to foreigners until you get about 50km out of the major cities. Our xenophobe political party (One Nation) has had a significant rally in the last few years, to the point where by some measures it is the second largest party.
  - BigGreenJorts 9mo ago
    That's probably all that matters TBH. If you can attract top talent to major cities where top schools, research firms, and companies in general, what does the opinions and attitudes of people 50km away matter? Ok It probably matters during elections and the policies that lead up to them (must appease the rural vote with mostly symbolic and emotionally wretching anti-immigrant rhetoric) but cities need skilled (and unskilled) labour and when they get what they need they stand to generate a lot of money (re taxes to the policy makers from earlier).
    - dylan604 9mo ago
      > what does the opinions and attitudes of people 50km away matter? Well, using Texas as an example, it's those people 50km away that win elections. Of course, gerrymandering helps, but even with large metro areas leaning left, there's enough of those 50km away that swings that lean to the right. Ignore the people in the rural areas as your own peril
  - hermanzegerman 9mo ago
    It's the same thing in every country. Big cities and metropolitan areas are very progressive and welcoming to well educated foreigners, and the countryside is filled with racist idiots who live in fear of something they only know from the television
  - api 9mo ago
    It’s the same in the US. Proximity to a city correlates strongly with all forms of openness. It holds nationwide. There aren’t really blue or red states, just predominantly urban or rural ones. I still don’t quite understand why. The contact hypothesis makes some sense but can that explain the whole urban rural divergence? Rural populations will even vote hard against their own interests in other areas over culture war stuff.

> The US was quite unique Well, based on the current admin and supporters, only part of the US was unique

inglor_cz 9mo ago

That is a trivial observation. A nation of such size can hardly be a hive mind with totally homogeneous politics.

Bukhmanizer 9mo ago
You’re right best reserve such observations for small nations like China
dylan604 9mo ago
Yeah. And? So? When the part of the country that was less unique took power, they immediately did what everyone else that was not unique did and became unwelcoming of foreigners. I guess to you other countries that the US is becoming more like would also not be of a hive mind by having people that are welcoming of foreigners. Where's your hive mind comment about that part of the original comment?
dougfelt 9mo ago
Yet China is 3 times as big and you are quite comfortable treating it this way

bluGill 9mo ago

That has always been true, and for everywhere. However very few countries are anywhere near as accepting for foreigners as the US as a whole despite the many who are not. Canada is just as accepting from what I can tell - I don't know enough about Australia to know. Most other countries are far worse - though many will not admit it just how bad their country is.

denkmoon 9mo ago
Sadly Australia is very welcoming to foreigners until you get about 50km out of the major cities. Our xenophobe political party (One Nation) has had a significant rally in the last few years, to the point where by some measures it is the second largest party.
- BigGreenJorts 9mo ago
  That's probably all that matters TBH. If you can attract top talent to major cities where top schools, research firms, and companies in general, what does the opinions and attitudes of people 50km away matter? Ok It probably matters during elections and the policies that lead up to them (must appease the rural vote with mostly symbolic and emotionally wretching anti-immigrant rhetoric) but cities need skilled (and unskilled) labour and when they get what they need they stand to generate a lot of money (re taxes to the policy makers from earlier).
  - dylan604 9mo ago
    > what does the opinions and attitudes of people 50km away matter? Well, using Texas as an example, it's those people 50km away that win elections. Of course, gerrymandering helps, but even with large metro areas leaning left, there's enough of those 50km away that swings that lean to the right. Ignore the people in the rural areas as your own peril
- hermanzegerman 9mo ago
  It's the same thing in every country. Big cities and metropolitan areas are very progressive and welcoming to well educated foreigners, and the countryside is filled with racist idiots who live in fear of something they only know from the television
- api 9mo ago
  It’s the same in the US. Proximity to a city correlates strongly with all forms of openness. It holds nationwide. There aren’t really blue or red states, just predominantly urban or rural ones. I still don’t quite understand why. The contact hypothesis makes some sense but can that explain the whole urban rural divergence? Rural populations will even vote hard against their own interests in other areas over culture war stuff.