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Does that mean Europe will get a sustainable lead on irreproachable Science?
by readthenotes1 8mo ago
Does that mean Europe will get a sustainable lead on irreproachable Science?
- ProjectArcturis 8mo agoNo, the US still spends 5x what Europe does on biomedical research, measured as a percent of GDP.
- tensor 8mo agoFor now. US science is still in decline. Major works by places like Moderna have been denied permission to continue, for example. You can't assume that funding will not continue to decrease at a rapid rate in the US.
- cogman10 8mo agoEven if it continues, there's been a huge amount of reputational damage done and no political will to do what must be done to reverse that damage.
- ronnier 8mo agoNo. Europe is in decline. Asia will.
- tensor 8mo agoI think that depends on a lot of factors. E.g. will there be a turn around in the US, and if so how fast? Will Europe and other nations increase science funding to account for all the new talent that wants to come? Will that funding be permanent, not just a one time effort? Also, if the US restores their democracy and also decides to value science again, will the salaries for scientists abroad compete enough to prevent scientists moving back. To maintain a sustainable lead the money and investment has to be substantial and long term.
- cogman10 8mo agoEurope isn't the one to watch, IMO. It's China. China has already significantly increased it's R&D funding and in some areas, particularly solar and battery tech, it's world leading. China also has been playing the long game with the build out of it's technology capabilities. I could very easily see them doing the same for medicine. They aren't afraid of losing money on investment for a particularly long period of time. They are currently thinking in decades and not quarters.
- tensor 8mo agoI agree that China is a science superpower and will only improve. That said, I would prefer living under a wester democratic system, so I really do hope that the west picks up what the US drops. I'm totally fine if the west is merely close to equal to China in terms of science.
- xienze 8mo ago> Also, if the US restores their democracy We don’t have elections anymore? When did this happen?
- 9rx 8mo agoChina also likes to claim it is a democracy because it holds elections. It is fair to say that the USA is still a democracy, but not because of elections. Elections have little to do with democracy. In fact, if the majority of the population hold the view that elections equate to democracy, you don't have a democracy.
- tensor 8mo agoI wouldn't say that elections have little to do with democracy, they are necessary. Though I agree that merely having an election isn't sufficient. A lot of modern dictatorships have "elections". And that's not to even begin to get in to how representation works.
- seanmcdirmid 8mo agoChina is putting up the money, not Europe. Europe only gets a slice if they invest in it.
- commandlinefan 8mo agoFor all the recent hand-wringing about the U.S. becoming less welcoming to immigrants, the U.S. is still far, far ahead of any European country in terms of immigration opportunities. If you're qualified to come to anywhere in Europe, you were qualified to come to the United States years or decades ago.
- tick_tock_tick 8mo agolol no it's Europe dude for the same reason they are lagging in everything they will lag in this why would you think otherwise. On a more serious note any of the freedoms people are talking about disappearing in the USA were either already long gone or a decade further down the road of dying in Europe. Hell they are routinely jailing people for speech now.