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Well it's a retort on the 2022 IRA bill, which increased the IRS budget by 80 billion over 10 years, and paved the way to hire 87,000 people. There has been a l
by guywithahat 8mo ago
Well it's a retort on the 2022 IRA bill, which increased the IRS budget by 80 billion over 10 years, and paved the way to hire 87,000 people. There has been a lot of hiring recently so it's hard to tell one thing from another but this isn't so much of mass layoff as an attempt at returning to normal.
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoPlease provide evidence for what you considered to be normal to be an effective workforce for the ongoing task at hand (nation state tax collection).
- groundzeros2015 8mo agoThe evidence was the baseline before the increase
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoThe baseline was there was significant tax evasion by high net worth individuals. The staff up was to counter that, staffing down puts us back at reduced enforcement. Someone has to pay to operate a nation state, you can’t borrow forever to fill the gap and there’s nothing left to cut. Roughly the bottom 60% of Americans do not make enough to have a federal income tax liability. So, we can kick the can on the top 40% paying until the bond vigilantes make the decision for the US.
- groundzeros2015 8mo ago> The staff up was to counter that Stated reasons may or may not be actual. If you recall these were not just accountants but agents who carry guns etc. I see this as very similar to the ICE situation. Biden has loyalty and power in IRS and so gave it money to help him police. As the government gets more corrupted I think we’ll find more agencies weaponized like this.
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoCan you provide proof of this “loyalty and power” at the IRS to Biden mentioned? Because without proof, it sounds like a “deep state” conspiracy theory without evidence.
- groundzeros2015 8mo agoI can provide evidence that the IRS and the majority of its employees have good relationships with democrats. The equivalent question is can you provide proof that ICE provides power and is loyal to Trump? I don’t think you would say that’s a deep state conspiracy.
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- nobodyandproud 8mo agoOP talks about policing high net-worth individuals and organizations, causing most of the taxation headaches. You’re shifting the discussion to organizations being political, hoping it becomes a divisive topic. A well-worn and sleazy playbook to dodge any discussion of a problem that has exceeded the tipping point.
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- nobodyandproud 8mo ago> Actually no. Did you notice I’m criticizing both administrations? The similarity to ICE funding is about the misuse of agencies as places to stock resources for your party. You and only you brought party politics into a discussion about the wealthy needing a disproportionate amount of tax policing and oversight, yet getting policed less and less as the years and decades to by. Irrelevant, bad-faith tactics and playbook.
- guywithahat 8mo agoWe had an exceptional increase in funding, followed by an attempt to curb that increase in funding. The size of the IRS is not just a financial exercise but a moral one, and I believe the prior budget increases as part of the 2022 IRA provides important context to staffing in the IRS.
- nobodyandproud 8mo agoI think we should first agree on what “normal” means. I personally view our IRS head count as being at historical lows by raw headcount; and even lower by population size if we look at the last 40 years (would love data that goes back further).
- nobodyandproud 8mo agoNormal? The 100k headcount and bill doesn’t cover what we in the US used to enjoy, with a smaller population: - https://taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/2025-04/IRS%20funding%20and%20staffing%20since%202010.pdf https://taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/2025-04/IRS%... - https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/5856e771-dd09-4517-b56b-a2221967632d.pdf https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/5856e771-dd09-4517-...