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I think you just have to give up ownership of the _code_ and focus on ownership of the _product_.

by empath75 8mo ago

contagiousflow 8mo ago
Do you think the product is not the code?
- icedchai 8mo ago
  From a user perspective, yes. The product is what it does, not how it does it.
  - jimbokun 8mo ago
    But for the person building the product it very much is how it does it.
    - icedchai 8mo ago
      I think we (developers) need to get over that. Code was always the means to an end, which is providing a product to solve a problem, not the end itself.
      - jimbokun 8mo ago
        The code is still the means to the end. AIs still write code, that is compiled and deployed and operated in some manner.
- munk-a 8mo ago
  It isn't, no one is buying code on it's own - but it's a component of the product. I dislike the phrasing above since it assumes the two are distinct things.
- jayd16 8mo ago
  Honestly, it never was. Personal projects not withstanding, if there is a product that should always be the focus. Code is only a means to that.
zooi 8mo ago
I don't care about the product as much as I care about the code.
- bitwize 8mo ago
  Well, that's the thing. You have to shut your programmer brain off and turn on your business brain. The code never really was that important. Delivering value to end users is the important thing, at least to the people that count. Tim Bryce, one of the foremost experts on software methodology, hated programmers and considered them deeply sad individuals who had to compensate for their mediocre intelligence and narrow thinking by gatekeeping technology and holding the rest of the company hostage to them. And, he said upper management in corporate America agreed with him. If you place a lot of value in being a good programmer, then to the real movers and shakers in society you are at best a tool they can use to get even richer. A tool that will soon be replaced by a machine. The time has come for programmers to level up their soft skills and social standing, and focus their intelligence on the business rather than the code. It sucks but that's the reality of the AI era.
  - LtWorf 8mo ago
    you're a tool to them even if you are miserable instead of enjoying what you do.
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jimbokun 8mo ago
If the product is software the code is the product.

I think you just have to give up ownership of the _code_ and focus on ownership of the _product_.

contagiousflow 8mo ago

Do you think the product is not the code?

icedchai 8mo ago
From a user perspective, yes. The product is what it does, not how it does it.
- jimbokun 8mo ago
  But for the person building the product it very much is how it does it.
  - icedchai 8mo ago
    I think we (developers) need to get over that. Code was always the means to an end, which is providing a product to solve a problem, not the end itself.
    - jimbokun 8mo ago
      The code is still the means to the end. AIs still write code, that is compiled and deployed and operated in some manner.
munk-a 8mo ago
It isn't, no one is buying code on it's own - but it's a component of the product. I dislike the phrasing above since it assumes the two are distinct things.
jayd16 8mo ago
Honestly, it never was. Personal projects not withstanding, if there is a product that should always be the focus. Code is only a means to that.

zooi 8mo ago

I don't care about the product as much as I care about the code.

bitwize 8mo ago
Well, that's the thing. You have to shut your programmer brain off and turn on your business brain. The code never really was that important. Delivering value to end users is the important thing, at least to the people that count. Tim Bryce, one of the foremost experts on software methodology, hated programmers and considered them deeply sad individuals who had to compensate for their mediocre intelligence and narrow thinking by gatekeeping technology and holding the rest of the company hostage to them. And, he said upper management in corporate America agreed with him. If you place a lot of value in being a good programmer, then to the real movers and shakers in society you are at best a tool they can use to get even richer. A tool that will soon be replaced by a machine. The time has come for programmers to level up their soft skills and social standing, and focus their intelligence on the business rather than the code. It sucks but that's the reality of the AI era.
- LtWorf 8mo ago
  you're a tool to them even if you are miserable instead of enjoying what you do.

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jimbokun 8mo ago

If the product is software the code is the product.