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Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. Fo
by gr4vityWall 8mo ago
Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course.
Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.
- zozbot234 8mo agoPublic information seems to describe the M4 GPU as mostly a performance-oriented refresh of the one from M3. M5 has brought bigger changes, not least neural/tensor accelerators on chip.
- haunter 8mo agoI just like the build quality and they are reaching the 200€ threshold on the used market. I bought one with 16GB RAM and a small black strip one the side of the screen (don’t bother me) for 230€ last week
- joe_mamba 8mo ago>they are reaching the 200€ threshold on the used market. Where?! I just cheeked the used market in Austria and 2020 M1s go for at least 350 for the 8GB RAM models and 450 for the 16GB model. Your 230 for the 16gb one fells more like a rare exception but not them norm everywhere.
- haunter 8mo agoI’m in Hungary and usually check Facebook Marketplace, Vinted, and another two local sites Here is another one from today, just messeged them. 230€ rose gold one, and that's without any bargaining offer https://files.catbox.moe/exbrfc.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/exbrfc.jpg
- joe_mamba 8mo agoDamn that's lucky. I checked facebook marketplace in Austria and prices are double that of what you're showing, even on Intel macbooks, there's no M1 macs for 200 Euros, only 400 Euros and up. Same on Vinted. No 200 Euro M1s, only at 2x the price. The ones that I saw similarly low to yours are obvious scams from scam profiles all repeating the same message in the ad. So maybe the ones you saw are scams as well. Otherwise hungary seems to be a lucky exception for some odd reason. Maybe because people have less disposable income, IDK? Anyway, I wouldn't spend 400 Euros on a used mac with no warranty. The point of buying an old ThinkPad for cheap was that if something broke on it you could easily swap that part yourself for cheap because it was easily repairable and the used market was flooded with spare parts. But if your used macbook dies out of warranty, then you're shit out of luck, you can't fix anything, it's 400 Euros wasted.
- haunter 8mo ago>So maybe the ones you saw are scams as well I bought one already so I know it's not a scam. Scams usually communicate badly and they don't want to meet you in a public space (like a McDonald's with free wifi) Obviously ymmv >Anyway, I wouldn't spend 400 Euros on a used mac with no warranty. This I agree with. I still prefer Thinkpads too but these M1s are also pretty good in almost every sense except for repairability
- adgjlsfhk1 8mo agoisn't this is just exchange rate? 1AUD is 0.6 Eur
- karmajunkie 8mo agoAustria, not Australia.
- joe_mamba 8mo agoIf HNers could read, they'd be very upset.
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- barnabee 8mo agoI still haven’t felt much urge to upgrade my 64gb MacBook Pro M1 Max. The biggest issue I have with it is macOS Tahoe. Guess I really should be checking out Asahi on it!
- tmikaeld 8mo agoBefore you do, note that battery time on Asahi is abysmal at best, so if you're on battery often I'd really reconsider.
- cromka 8mo agoAbysmal? I am getting 8 hours on my M1 air with 80% battery life on it. What are you talking about?
- testing22321 8mo agoAbysmal by macOS on m series standards, pretty decent by everything else standards.
- cromka 8mo agoSo not abysmal! Abysmal would be if it was 3h, not 8-10.
- testing22321 7mo ago> if it was 3h You mean perfectly normal for every other laptop. It’s all a matter of perspective
- drooopy 8mo agoS**, I haven't felt much urge to upgrade from my 16GB M1 Air and I even use it to play some Windows games under Crossover. Quite possibly the best laptop I've ever owned.
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- monocasa 8mo agoApparently there's changes to boot that are more or less understood, but require some heavy work to handle. Basically starting with M4 you have a choice between starting with Apple's page table monitor already running in their guarded mode extension, or all apple extensions disabled on the CPU cores.
- Tuna-Fish 8mo ago> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silicon lineup is designed for limited lifespan.
- netule 8mo agoExactly, the entire appeal of Thinkpads is their ability to be repaired and upgraded by the end user. MacBooks are designed to be disposable.
- jonhohle 8mo agoIt’s really a shame. May last “favorite” MacBook was from 2013 where everything was upgradable. I bought the fastest Core processor with the lowest everything else and upgraded to 16GB of RAM, SSD (granted at SATA speeds) and a second data drive in the optical drive bay. What luxury!
- cromka 8mo agoAbsolutely not. SSD can be resoldered and that service is actually becoming popular and inexpensive. It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered. This will become a totally normal thing in a few years from now.
- nanliu 8mo agoIt's on chip for the m series and not soldered to the motherboard.
- testing22321 8mo agoThe ram is on chip, the ssd is soldered to the motherboard. There are tons of YT vids showing people upgrading them.