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I don't know how much this plays a role, and this is anecdotal, but I feel like the last 5-10 years or so, folks have put increasing stock in being (or being po

I don't know how much this plays a role, and this is anecdotal, but I feel like the last 5-10 years or so, folks have put increasing stock in being (or being portrayed as) a victim. A hobby growing in popularity seems to be perusing the internet on the lookout for something to be "outraged" by, no matter how mundane. As someone who played hockey for years, this always felt like such a contrast from my experience where the norm was to conceal an injury and power through so you could keep playing. If you were bleeding and unphased, you were the envy of your teammates. If a guy was limping off the ice after blocking a shot, you did not want to see the bruise he had underneath. What I will be interested in seeing is, as students graduate into the job market, how the feigning victimhood approach fits into getting a well paying job. For all I know, it may pay off. Only time will tell I guess.

tencentshill 8mo ago
People don't hunt down outrage posts, they are delivered to them by algorithms seeking maximum engagement. The solution is nothing less than to outlaw recommendation algorithms.
- daveguy 8mo ago
  1000% agree recommendation algorithms should not be allowed. Sorting and user criteria, great. But nothing should be pushed without clear acknowledgement of the user. Anything software recommends should be specified by the user.
gigatree 8mo ago
I imagine most people are secretly turned off by the victim card (for the same reason you’d avoid someone who always has a “woe is me” story) but who knows how that affects the job market when virtue signaling is so powerful.
taeric 8mo ago
"Grievance culture," I believe, is the term you are looking for. Most of the power in that came from classes of victims being untouchable. Some of that was the decorum of not wanting to punch down. Some was the reasonable ask that people realize they had advantages others didn't have. All of it was completely unprepared for being gamed and infiltrated by bad faith actors.
nradov 8mo ago
You can get all sorts of extra accommodations at school and work now if you're diagnosed with a disability. Disability rates have thus exploded. I support giving reasonable accommodations to people who are truly disabled but we have medicalized a lot of minor stuff that people ought to just "power through". https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/40-percent-stanford-undergraduates-claim-disabled-sw99r3k8c https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/40-percent-st...
- gizmo686 8mo ago
  Alternatively, we are gatekeeping basic decency behind having a diagnosed disability.
  - nradov 8mo ago
    Could you define basic decency for us? Should every college student receive a private dorm room and unlimited time on exams?
    - MattRix 8mo ago
      I mean, sure, why not?
      - nradov 8mo ago
        Sounds good. How about a free emotional support pony while we're at it? And people wonder why college tuition prices are so high.
      - Aurornis 8mo ago
        There are only two ways to give everyone a private dorm room: 1. Drastically reduce admissions until a 1:1 ratio of rooms to students is achieved. Once rooms are full, you have to reject students. Overall college admissions is cut significantly. 2. Massively increase tuitions so that more single-occupancy rooms can be built So which one do you choose? I suspect most of these proposals rely on a world where money is infinite and nothing has to be sacrificed to get there.
cindyllm 8mo ago
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BLKNSLVR 8mo ago
I blame soccer for starting this societal trend. Fool the ref, win the game. (only partially tongue-in-cheek)
yodsanklai 8mo ago
> I feel like the last 5-10 years or so, folks have put increasing stock in being (or being portrayed as) a victim. I've actually noticed the same pattern where I live in Europe. Some young adults go to great lengths to find a psychiatrist that will diagnose them something. I heard than on multiple occasions, reported by doctors themselves, and anecdotal evidence. To be honest, I don't know how much this is a reality, and how much of it is an old man rant :)
jpfromlondon 8mo ago
there is also institutional favourability for the disadvantaged, it's hardly a surprise that most attendees are claiming disability...they were selected in part because they identified themselves as victims/disabled/etc.

tencentshill 8mo ago

People don't hunt down outrage posts, they are delivered to them by algorithms seeking maximum engagement. The solution is nothing less than to outlaw recommendation algorithms.

daveguy 8mo ago
1000% agree recommendation algorithms should not be allowed. Sorting and user criteria, great. But nothing should be pushed without clear acknowledgement of the user. Anything software recommends should be specified by the user.

gigatree 8mo ago

I imagine most people are secretly turned off by the victim card (for the same reason you’d avoid someone who always has a “woe is me” story) but who knows how that affects the job market when virtue signaling is so powerful.

taeric 8mo ago

"Grievance culture," I believe, is the term you are looking for. Most of the power in that came from classes of victims being untouchable. Some of that was the decorum of not wanting to punch down. Some was the reasonable ask that people realize they had advantages others didn't have. All of it was completely unprepared for being gamed and infiltrated by bad faith actors.

nradov 8mo ago

You can get all sorts of extra accommodations at school and work now if you're diagnosed with a disability. Disability rates have thus exploded. I support giving reasonable accommodations to people who are truly disabled but we have medicalized a lot of minor stuff that people ought to just "power through". https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/40-percent-stanford-undergraduates-claim-disabled-sw99r3k8c https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/40-percent-st...

gizmo686 8mo ago
Alternatively, we are gatekeeping basic decency behind having a diagnosed disability.
- nradov 8mo ago
  Could you define basic decency for us? Should every college student receive a private dorm room and unlimited time on exams?
  - MattRix 8mo ago
    I mean, sure, why not?
    - nradov 8mo ago
      Sounds good. How about a free emotional support pony while we're at it? And people wonder why college tuition prices are so high.
    - Aurornis 8mo ago
      There are only two ways to give everyone a private dorm room: 1. Drastically reduce admissions until a 1:1 ratio of rooms to students is achieved. Once rooms are full, you have to reject students. Overall college admissions is cut significantly. 2. Massively increase tuitions so that more single-occupancy rooms can be built So which one do you choose? I suspect most of these proposals rely on a world where money is infinite and nothing has to be sacrificed to get there.

cindyllm 8mo ago

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BLKNSLVR 8mo ago

I blame soccer for starting this societal trend. Fool the ref, win the game. (only partially tongue-in-cheek)

yodsanklai 8mo ago

> I feel like the last 5-10 years or so, folks have put increasing stock in being (or being portrayed as) a victim. I've actually noticed the same pattern where I live in Europe. Some young adults go to great lengths to find a psychiatrist that will diagnose them something. I heard than on multiple occasions, reported by doctors themselves, and anecdotal evidence. To be honest, I don't know how much this is a reality, and how much of it is an old man rant :)

jpfromlondon 8mo ago

there is also institutional favourability for the disadvantaged, it's hardly a surprise that most attendees are claiming disability...they were selected in part because they identified themselves as victims/disabled/etc.