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EU also investigating as Grok generated 23,000 CSAM images in 11 days
- mhitza 8mo agoI don't like the fact that results are extrapolated. Give me the number you have and only that. Or the title could be "could have generated 23000..."
- advisedwang 8mo agoIf it's a truly random sample [1] it's perfectly valid; there would be no reason to think that the other images have less frequency of CSAM. [1] The methodology just says "To collect the sample, researchers used a licensed third-party tool to select 20,000 posts at random out of all Grok posts that contained an image"
- Symbiote 8mo agoFollowing the links to the source: https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualized-images/ https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz... We have that 101 images were "Sexualized Images (Likely Children)" after a manual review of 20,000 images.
- zb3 8mo agoSo the number is 0, because you can't even know if those are children given they don't even exist..
- optionalsquid 8mo agoTwo of the three examples listed in the article appear to involve real children: > A selfie uploaded by a schoolgirl was undressed by Grok, turning a “before school selfie” into an image of her in a bikini. As of January 15th this post was still live on X. ... Four images depicting child actors.
- LorenPechtel 8mo agoSo they don't actually have any CSAM.
- gulfofamerica 8mo ago[dead]
- true_religion 8mo agoCalling nearly naked, non consensual imagery of real children “not CSAM” is a dangerous avenue to follow. For a child, this can easily lead to bullying, substantiate rumors that are otherwise false, or normalize their unwilling participation in sexual activity. I think you may be coming to this view from the approach that this is just the AI using imagination/hallucination so it’s “art”, but a better approach would be to treat it like a real photo taken secretly because absent overt labeling of its AI origins that is exactly how the world will treat it.
- LorenPechtel 8mo agoIt's a child in a bikini. All this pursuit of grey area stuff distracts from pursuit of the real problem.
- true_religion 8mo agoI disagree. If we solve this problem, we’ll also solve the more serious “real” problem. The only distraction comes from people saying this is okay, and those people are bound to always practice a motte and bailey argument style to hide the fact that they are generally okay with CSAM. The same people who defended “creep shots” and “family nudism photos” are now defending GrokAi. Choosing not to counter them, merely allows them to normalize grey areas so they can use them to freely seek association with others with more obscene and obviously illegal content.
- nitwit005 8mo agoYou want them to somehow convince Musk to give them access, and then manually review all images generated? Anyone would take a sample and then do some math. There's no reason to expend all that time.
- greatgib 8mo agoI would not say if Grok has a real problem or not but the CCDH that did the study looks like to be a "scam". I don't know who fund them but they have clearly an agenda and would "manufacture" data however they can to support it. Title of the study and article says that Grok "Generated", but in fact: > The CCDH then extrapolated Basically they invent numbers. They took a sample of 20k generated images, and it is assumed (but I don't know if the source is reliable) that Grok would have generated 4.6 millions image at the same time. So the sample is 00.4%. If you see the webpage of the CCDH it is a joke their study. First: - Images were defined as sexualized if they contain [...] a person in underwear, swimwear or similarly revealing clothing. - Sexualized Images (Adults & Children): 12,995 found - Sexualized Images (Likely Children): 101 found First they invent their own definition, then adequately mixup possible "adult" pictures to give scary numbers.
- dtj1123 8mo agoRight... So how much CSAM is an acceptable amount of CSAM in your opinion then?
- zb3 8mo agoWho was abused here?
- chrystalkey 8mo agoThe people used as template faces and bodies
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- autoexec 8mo agoThe environment.
- riotnrrd 8mo agoWhen you post on a public forum defending child pornography, it's maybe a good time to take a step back and evaluate your life.