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I think it's prudent to assume that these companies are selling your information to anyone with two nickels to rub together, regardless of which tech celebritie

I think it's prudent to assume that these companies are selling your information to anyone with two nickels to rub together, regardless of which tech celebrities they are linked to.

reactordev 9mo ago
This. The data collection is the product, that’s why it’s free.
- loeber 9mo ago
  But it's not free. Persona is hugely expensive.
  - onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
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  - reactordev 9mo ago
    If you want to buy it yourself, it is. Discord is using Persona because it’s backed by Thiel and the “Founders Fund”. They want your data. Discord has investors from multiple venture funds but Tencent is a large contributor. Yes, that Tencent.
    - islandfox100 9mo ago
      I'd like to believe that Tencent has information gathering methods more sophisticated than asking me to send them a picture of my driver's license.
giancarlostoro 9mo ago
This is the part that loses me, my understanding was that this was only supposed to scan things offline, not collect any PII. Are they lying about not collecting the face scanned data?
- mirashii 9mo ago
  There's two paths for verification, and the discussion on them is muddying things. There's k-id, which is the local-only age verification, and then there's a secondary process for places where k-id is indeterminate or their system flags you as possibly still being underage, and requires ID verification. Previously, they handled this escalation path via Zendesk, which was breached revealing all of the messages with IDs. Now, they're trying out Persona for this path.
- stuaxo 9mo ago
  There is no reason to trust them, and many not to.
- onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
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dzhiurgis 9mo ago
Palantir is an integration company. There are plenty of data brokers to scrutinize. i.e. discord itself sells your data.
- MSM 9mo ago
  > Palantir is an integration company That's not true at all. I worked with Palantir on a project for a prior company and they'd basically do whatever you wanted if you paid them. They had a very heavy data / "AI" presence and this was years ago. They certainly do not just do integrations.
  - crimsoneer 9mo ago
    They don't buy or sell data.
    - Angostura 9mo ago
      They certainly say they don’t. Its a company that I don’t think would have any qualms about lying through its teeth.
- mirashii 9mo ago
  https://discord.com/privacy https://discord.com/privacy > We don’t sell your personal information. No evidence that they sell your data against their privacy policy has ever come to light, so I think you should probably back that claim with evidence if you think otherwise.
  - kryogen1c 9mo ago
    To play devils advocate (i know nothing about discords use of data), isnt it trivial for any corporate counsel make legal statements like this that are not truthful? For example: we dont sell your data... we freely give it to our sister company with a common owner that sells your data.
    - 9mo ago

I think it's prudent to assume that these companies are selling your information to anyone with two nickels to rub together, regardless of which tech celebrities they are linked to.

reactordev 9mo ago

This. The data collection is the product, that’s why it’s free.

loeber 9mo ago
But it's not free. Persona is hugely expensive.
- onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
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- reactordev 9mo ago
  If you want to buy it yourself, it is. Discord is using Persona because it’s backed by Thiel and the “Founders Fund”. They want your data. Discord has investors from multiple venture funds but Tencent is a large contributor. Yes, that Tencent.
  - islandfox100 9mo ago
    I'd like to believe that Tencent has information gathering methods more sophisticated than asking me to send them a picture of my driver's license.

giancarlostoro 9mo ago

This is the part that loses me, my understanding was that this was only supposed to scan things offline, not collect any PII. Are they lying about not collecting the face scanned data?

mirashii 9mo ago
There's two paths for verification, and the discussion on them is muddying things. There's k-id, which is the local-only age verification, and then there's a secondary process for places where k-id is indeterminate or their system flags you as possibly still being underage, and requires ID verification. Previously, they handled this escalation path via Zendesk, which was breached revealing all of the messages with IDs. Now, they're trying out Persona for this path.
stuaxo 9mo ago
There is no reason to trust them, and many not to.
onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
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dzhiurgis 9mo ago

Palantir is an integration company. There are plenty of data brokers to scrutinize. i.e. discord itself sells your data.

MSM 9mo ago
> Palantir is an integration company That's not true at all. I worked with Palantir on a project for a prior company and they'd basically do whatever you wanted if you paid them. They had a very heavy data / "AI" presence and this was years ago. They certainly do not just do integrations.
- crimsoneer 9mo ago
  They don't buy or sell data.
  - Angostura 9mo ago
    They certainly say they don’t. Its a company that I don’t think would have any qualms about lying through its teeth.
mirashii 9mo ago
https://discord.com/privacy https://discord.com/privacy > We don’t sell your personal information. No evidence that they sell your data against their privacy policy has ever come to light, so I think you should probably back that claim with evidence if you think otherwise.
- kryogen1c 9mo ago
  To play devils advocate (i know nothing about discords use of data), isnt it trivial for any corporate counsel make legal statements like this that are not truthful? For example: we dont sell your data... we freely give it to our sister company with a common owner that sells your data.
  - 9mo ago