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Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files
Related: Show HN: JeffTube - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47030797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47030797
- lukeigel 8mo agoJmail maintainer and co-creator here. Very excited to see that someone finally made Jemini good! Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.
- embedding-shape 8mo ago> Jmail maintainer and co-creator here. Great, I've been looking to be able to contact you somewhere, hardly a better place :) Thanks for sharing the project btw, and for keeping jmail alive, been useful to dig into some stuff. However, there seems to be some "injected" or "fake" emails, that I cannot figure out why they're there in the first place. For example this one: https://jmail.world/thread/55b91b46ef1e4487bee131a8505e14a4?view=inbox https://jmail.world/thread/55b91b46ef1e4487bee131a8505e14a4?... For that example, the first problem is that there is no link to the source file from the disclosed files, which is strange, because most other emails have that. Secondly, this almost seems to be a "sponsored" email or something, as it has an ad in the top right corner reading "Sponsored by Drop Site News", but clicking that just takes you to some general page, with no clear information how that's related to the fake/injected email. Also, what does "Verified by X" actually mean, did they verify the authenticity of that specific email? There seems to be a bunch of people confused by those emails and wondering where they are coming from, because it's missing the source link like the others, so there doesn't seem to be a good way to verify those emails. Could you maybe share a bit about what's going on?
- 3rodents 8mo agoThat’s just a campaign email with “Pedophiles” as the recipient name, right? Anyone can sign an email address up to a mailing list. All of Trump’s campaign emails are these type of overly friendly weird junk.
- embedding-shape 8mo agoSure, but the email itself doesn't seem to be a part of the archives of Epstein's emails (which would be an issue), it seems like it has been added manually by the admins of Jmail, as it's not coming from the files that were recently released.
- 3rodents 8mo agoJmail is a mix of sources. “The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases” If I understand correctly, the emails you’re looking at are from a leak that is only accessible to journalists — so Drop Site News (as journalists) have access and have published some. https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails
- lukeigel 8mo agoCorrect. https://jmail.world/about https://jmail.world/about explains it all.
- lukeigel 8mo agoYeah, those are mailing lists that people signed him up for after he died, including with a joke name. He was a very famous figure in August 2019, and normal people spammed his inbox with emails like the below https://jmail.world/thread/4accfb5f3ed84656e9762740081a4579?view=inbox https://jmail.world/thread/4accfb5f3ed84656e9762740081a4579?... These are all real emails! We can do a better job making this clear to the user.
- lukeigel 8mo agoAlso, that says "Verified by Drop Site News", not Sponsored by. That's because Drop Site redacted these real Yahoo emails and gave them to Jmail. The original Yahoo dataset, which the DOJ and House Oversight Committee did not release, is stewarded by DDoSecrets (https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails). This Yahoo dataset, which we helped release after launching the first Jmail, also proved Epstein's connection to Iran-Contra (!!). Now immortalized on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Financial_troubleshooter_(1981%E2%80%931987) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Financial_trou...)
- bewertsam 8mo ago[dead]
- embedding-shape 8mo ago> These are all real emails! Why do the rest of the emails provide a link to the online file (original one hosted at justice.gov) but the "sponsored"/ad ones do not? This for example: https://jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_016203?view=inbox https://jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_016203?view=inbox Has a "View Original Document" which takes you to kind-of-the-source (ideally should have been link to justice.gov but better than nothing I suppose), but for the emails with the Dropsite ad, it seems there is no original document?
- lukeigel 8mo agohttps://jmail.world/thread/07ff1467c0f2bb976664ecafc5829aa4?view=inbox https://jmail.world/thread/07ff1467c0f2bb976664ecafc5829aa4?... Many Yahoo emails do show you the original source, and the original is just an EML file. These were files directly exported from Epstein's Yahoo account. Bloomberg used these EMLs to confirm that the Yahoo emails are real (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-12/epstein-email-investigation-sheds-light-into-crimes-social-network https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-12/epstei...). We don't tamper with these EMLs, so we currently don't make the EML accessible if the team had to redact any contents of that email. See this for example. https://jmail.world/thread/97d4a52d1df3948368770068262d2aab?view=inbox https://jmail.world/thread/97d4a52d1df3948368770068262d2aab?... We can fix examples where there are no redactions yet no EML download is available
- aizk 8mo agoYou guys are going to get a pultizer in journalism at this rate keep it up.
- croisillon 8mo agoor a FIFA Prize in Journalism at the very least
- lostlogin 8mo agoWill have to be next year, this years Peace Prize has been taken. And beautifully self presented. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obyO4jg3XQI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obyO4jg3XQI
- belter 8mo ago[dead]
- wiseleo 8mo agoMonumental and amazing work. Thank you!
- CollinEMac 8mo agoI'm curious what your operational costs are and how we can help. I don't see a donation link anywhere.
- aiddun 8mo agohttps://jmail.world/donate https://jmail.world/donate
- mminer237 8mo agoRecently he said he had a $50k hosting bill but that the CEO of Vercel offered to cover them and help them start some optimization.
- aaa_aaa 8mo agoI thought The CEO of Vercel was heavily criticized to befriend/support a war criminal.
- llbbdd 8mo agoI can think of some ways you could benefit the world without spending a cent
- lenerdenator 8mo agoI just wanted to say that you're doing really important work.
- ddtaylor 8mo agoYou guys are doing awesome stuff. I was in the process of loading all of the documents into a vector database to query and then you dropped Jemini. I wanted to reach out and avoid duplication of efforts, but I didn't know the best person to reach out to for this or if this is anything that can be collaborated on.
- upmind 8mo agoIs it possible to make jmail open source? Would love to contribute! e.g., the search functionality is quite poor with little filtering available. Jtube doesn't let you sort by views etc etc
- rrr_oh_man 8mo agoHey Luke, hijacking this: Are you planning to add date-sorted messages and deduplication/thread view at any point? I would love to help out, if needed.
- krainboltgreene 8mo agoThis feels like an insanely bad idea.
- sperr11 8mo agoCare to elaborate?
- spankalee 8mo agoIf it's using an LLM it'll make stuff up... about people and sex trafficking.
- dvrp 8mo agoIt links to the original documents released by the DOJ. Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news. Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible. Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have. But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship. Disclaimer: I actively work on jmailarchive!
- cj 8mo agoI think that’s a valid stance to take. IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s. That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.
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- heisgone 8mo agoGreat! This, along with Webb, the other Epstein AI tool, are amazing effort to find documents. The way you link to files instead of just outputing an answer is amazing. Great works!
- venusenvy47 8mo agoThe Jamazon interface is really nice. I like how clicking on the order number takes you to the email. But I'm not going spend much time on there, after seeing his order for Lolita next to orders for kid toys. https://jmail.world/jamazon https://jmail.world/jamazon
- baxtr 8mo agoInteresting. The majority of items seems to be books.
- SauntSolaire 8mo agoAlong with the orders for kids school uniform skirts a bit later.. tough viewing in context. Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read. Hard to swallow having anything in common with such a person. I would have also assumed he got his clothes from much fancier places than Amazon, considering his wealth. Can't beat two day shipping I guess. Altogether his Amazon orders are disturbing in places, but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.
- ZpJuUuNaQ5 8mo ago>Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read. >but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected. I am obviously not defending him or anything, but it always puzzles me how any of this confuses people. Whoever we may be, we are also humans, sharing common human traits and habits, and other people are just as real as we are. Every living moment, you unavoidably share at least some of the common beliefs, ideas, preferences, biases, habits, norms, values, goals, desires, fears, tastes, jokes, expectations, opinions and more with people you'd otherwise absolutely abhor.
- littlecorner 8mo agoIt's very disconcerting to think that this "innocent" toy or clothing I see my children playing with as "tainted" by this monster. Suddenly he's not just some nebulous monster out there, but in some way the idea of him is here with my children, arousing protective instincts without anything in particular to direct that energy towards. It also shows him as a human like other humans, which then makes me ponder is that person walking down the street also a monster? Could I become a monster like Epstein? Such thoughts are very disconcerting
- embedding-shape 8mo agoInteresting stuff! I'm also slowly diving into the whole Epstein thing, mainly focused on a human-curated wiki (at https://corroborators.wiki https://corroborators.wiki, still WIP obviously) and I've had some contributors wanting to use AI for basically filling out details automatically. But I'm using LLMs daily for programming, so I know how much they get wrong. So about that specific thing, how do you avoid this particular problems with LLMs getting basic things wrong and basically being a lottery if the answer is correct or not? It's the reason I've avoided (and encouraged others to avoid it to) using LLMs too heavily in the process of reading, understanding and summarizing documents, but clearly you've must have figured out some trick to this?
- widdershins 8mo agoAsk it to cite the document and page, and verify it yourself.
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- SLWW 8mo agoIt's passing the initial sniff test; this might be the first valuable use of AI I've seen in a good minute
- dvrp 8mo agoWe're also skeptical of how AI is being used. Let us know if you have obvious horrible mistakes so we can fix them.
- jeron 8mo agoi know it's hyperbole but come on
- pembrook 8mo agoYea every other use case beyond feeding the hysterical Epstein conspiracy machine has been totally worthless. All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid. On the other hand, providing more fuel for sweaty basement dwellers to invent fake stories about elite lizard people while trashing the civil liberties of thousands of random innocents contacted by this dude? I can think of no better use case. /s
- monegator 8mo ago>All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid yes?
- llbbdd 8mo agoUpvoting for making me feel sane. I don't understand the level of attention paid to this shit, and it makes the people invested in it seem orders of magnitude more perverted than the financier himself is purported to be.
- dns_snek 8mo ago> purported to be Convicted to be - proven beyond reasonable doubt. He's a child-trafficking pedophile who plead guilty, with mountains of evidence that are now public.
- hkt 8mo agoWhy on earth does he have CPAP pipes, an oxygen concentrator, and a pulse oximeter? This is dated 2019 so I assume he was having sleep apnea, but in my nightmares I assume he's keeping someone in a coma.
- Xss3 8mo agoThats an incredibly unsettling thought.
- Slothrop99 8mo agoHis brother said he had a CPAP machine in his jail cell. (EFTA00113460)
- llbbdd 8mo agoWhat a crazy subthread. You identified an obvious normal reason for him to have those things and then invented another reason, and then people agreed with you.
- hugh-avherald 8mo agoEpstein Scandal Update: Epstein sleeps nude in a oxygen tent which he believes gives him SEXUAL POWERS!
- tehjoker 8mo agoWhen LLMs first came out, my initial impulse, though I didn't pursue it, was that the summarization function was ideal for sorting through FOIA requests. So glad to see stuff like this come to fruition.
- varjag 8mo agoFedorovism at home
- hokkos 8mo agothis ai is too much "aligned" to return anything of value, considering the content it has to look into and the questions it needs to answer.
- dvrp 8mo agoWhat do you mean? As in, OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google's models won't follow instructions regarding forensics for this?
- NamlchakKhandro 8mo agoWho here is naive enough to think that this little loop hole hasn't been nicely tied off?
- lukeigel 8mo agoBring your own key and use Claude. We found that it's most willing to run deep research queries here.
- pillefitz 8mo agoWhich model is being used? Is there an unrestricted open weight model that could be used?
- upmind 8mo agoThey should use Grok, it feels the most open out of the big 4
- zinodaur 8mo agoI wonder if we can trust Gemini to do its job well here? Whoever is being protected in those files obviously has the power to compel governments to do what they want - if Gemini started being a threat, I bet it would get some "alignment" help. Certainly its findings would be reported, as well as the identity of whoever was doing the prompting
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- alhadrad 8mo agoIt cannot be trusted.
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- stevage 8mo agoGetting 500s now: > The search failed because there was an internal server error (status 500) when trying to access the document search tool. The web search also did not return any usable results.
- egonschiele 8mo agoBrilliant. This is like the internet at its peak (to me) where it was all about building neat things and helping people. Just a bunch of engineers saying they are not planning to look away from the Epstein files. More projects like this, please.
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- Surac 8mo agoI hope it is not after underaged girls
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- mentalgear 8mo agoFinally, this is a great use-case of vibe-coding: making hard to parse data accessible and understandable for the public. Though it's unfortunate it appears not to be open-source.
- alhadrad 8mo agoIt failed to find a reference: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00174720.pdf https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA001747... Question: Does Blues Traveler appear in the Epstein files? Blues Traveler Answer: Yes, "Blues Traveler" appears in the files, but not in a way that directly connects the band to Jeffrey Epstein or his activities. Key Findings: XM Radio Mention: An email from "XM Signal" dated July 8, 2008, mentions a "Starbucks XM Café Live with Blues Traveler" event. [1] This appears to be a reference to a broadcast or performance by the band on XM Satellite Radio. Analysis: The searches did not reveal any direct involvement of the band "Blues Traveler" with Jeffrey Epstein or his associates. The mention found is in the context of a radio event. It's important to distinguish this from the multiple mentions of "Blue Water Café," which is a restaurant and appears in several travel itineraries. [2][3][4] Further Investigation: If you have a specific reason to believe "Blues Traveler" might be connected, please provide more details. For instance, was there a particular event, person, or date you had in mind? This could help refine the search.
- hedora 8mo agoAfter playing around with vector db's for a bit, I got tired of this sort of thing. There's a reason most of the industry has switched to letting agents grep + navigate within the results. Come to think of it, it's probably the same reason "intelligent" search engines were so consistently hated by end users, and never really panned out during the early 2000's.
- kgwxd 8mo agoI don't know how much more cynicism I can achieve, but now I can access the data I need to build it up at super human speed! I'm thinking I'll surpass last-days George Carlin by Midsummer Eve.
- ideashower 8mo agoThis is well made - is it open source?
- upmind 8mo ago+1. Would love to contribute!
- SpaceManNabs 8mo agoA few people i looked up and found in the dataset don't pop up in this. Don't want to mention who here of course... but the other people cc'ed in the particular emails i found do pop up though. weird.
- rayruizhiliao 8mo agonice! we scraped the epstein library: https://youtu.be/ahP7fJKEewE?si=82AEodI2bgbsmwR0 https://youtu.be/ahP7fJKEewE?si=82AEodI2bgbsmwR0