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You have an odd perception of what constitutes "micro-targetting". Why apparel specifically? Because apparel is specifically the consumer industry where enormo

You have an odd perception of what constitutes "micro-targetting". Why apparel specifically? Because apparel is specifically the consumer industry where enormous quantities of unsold product are intentionally destroyed to then be replaced in the market by newly made equivalent articles. Why was USB-C mandated specifically on Apple devices? Well here's the thing: it wasn't. It was mandated on smartphones in general, and Apple was the only company that specifically tried to fight the regulation because apparently they're special.

peterfirefly 8mo ago
> Because apparel is specifically the consumer industry Because it is very visible to low information voters who are also red/green voters.
- Mordisquitos 8mo ago
  Are you a high-information voter? If so, could you please provide information about any consumer industry that comes even close to the apparel industry in terms of a) ubiquity and market scale and b) destruction of unsold but undamaged items while still producing equally functional equivalents for market? Is there such a thing as fast-cutlery? Or fast-furniture? Maybe fast-book or fast-vehicle? Fast-whitegood perhaps? I'm at a loss here, I've only heard of fast-fashion.
  - im3w1l 8mo ago
    I feel like there is a lot of waste in packaging specifically. Like way, way more colorful plastic polymers go into the trash way faster making products look appealing on the shelf than from clothing. Don't have the numbers to back it up though.
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  - cm2012 8mo ago
    Uh, yes? Food and consumer electronics are larger or similar scale to fashion and undamaged goods for both are landfilled at massive/similar rates to clothing. Books are the same logic as apparel, "print more than needed, pulp what doesnt sale". Its just much smaller.
    - pprotas 8mo ago
      Food is perishable, clearly we can’t force manufacturers or shops to keep unsold perished stock. Unsold electronics aren’t destroyed on a seasonal basis to make room for a new collection. Same goes for books… and pulp from booms can create new paper to print new books on
  - peterfirefly 8mo ago
    > Are you a high-information voter? Yes I am.
quotemstr 8mo ago
> Because apparel is specifically the consumer industry where enormous quantities of unsold product are intentionally destroyed to then be replaced in the market by newly made equivalent articles If that's so bad, why is doing so the cheapest option? What makes you think you know better than the market what's wasteful?
- mulmen 8mo ago
  Regulation is not about knowing better than the market. It is about correcting harmful externalities that markets would not solve on their own.
  - quotemstr 8mo ago
    If disposing of my own shirt in a landfill I pay for is an "externality[y]" justifying state intervention, then every domain of life is subject to top down control. I don't want to live in a society in which resources are allocation in general by edict instead of the market.
    - OrangeMusic 8mo ago
      Look it's not that hard. Is <problem> (in this case, pollution) a problem that needs solving? If the answer is yes, then it needs to be regulated even if you personally don't like laws. Sorry!
      - quotemstr 8mo ago
        Why is <problem> a problem? Because you say so? If it's such a problem, why is it so cheap to do? What cost is unaccounted?
        mulmen 8mo ago
        By definition externality is not priced in by the market.
frm88 8mo ago
Slight correction: it wasn't even for smartphones alone, it was for portable devices in general [0]. As a consequence, all ebook devices like Kindle etc, vapes and other devices had to switch from Micro-USB to USB-C. [0] https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-common-charger-rules-power-all-your-devices-single-charger-2024-12-28_en https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-common-c...
- rsynnott 8mo ago
  > As a consequence, all ebook devices like Kindle etc, vapes and other devices had to switch from Micro-USB to USB-C. Finally, I can charge my book and my cigarette with one cable! (This statement would have been extremely confusing in the 90s.)

peterfirefly 8mo ago

> Because apparel is specifically the consumer industry Because it is very visible to low information voters who are also red/green voters.

Mordisquitos 8mo ago
Are you a high-information voter? If so, could you please provide information about any consumer industry that comes even close to the apparel industry in terms of a) ubiquity and market scale and b) destruction of unsold but undamaged items while still producing equally functional equivalents for market? Is there such a thing as fast-cutlery? Or fast-furniture? Maybe fast-book or fast-vehicle? Fast-whitegood perhaps? I'm at a loss here, I've only heard of fast-fashion.
- im3w1l 8mo ago
  I feel like there is a lot of waste in packaging specifically. Like way, way more colorful plastic polymers go into the trash way faster making products look appealing on the shelf than from clothing. Don't have the numbers to back it up though.
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- cm2012 8mo ago
  Uh, yes? Food and consumer electronics are larger or similar scale to fashion and undamaged goods for both are landfilled at massive/similar rates to clothing. Books are the same logic as apparel, "print more than needed, pulp what doesnt sale". Its just much smaller.
  - pprotas 8mo ago
    Food is perishable, clearly we can’t force manufacturers or shops to keep unsold perished stock. Unsold electronics aren’t destroyed on a seasonal basis to make room for a new collection. Same goes for books… and pulp from booms can create new paper to print new books on
- peterfirefly 8mo ago
  > Are you a high-information voter? Yes I am.

quotemstr 8mo ago

> Because apparel is specifically the consumer industry where enormous quantities of unsold product are intentionally destroyed to then be replaced in the market by newly made equivalent articles If that's so bad, why is doing so the cheapest option? What makes you think you know better than the market what's wasteful?

mulmen 8mo ago
Regulation is not about knowing better than the market. It is about correcting harmful externalities that markets would not solve on their own.
- quotemstr 8mo ago
  If disposing of my own shirt in a landfill I pay for is an "externality[y]" justifying state intervention, then every domain of life is subject to top down control. I don't want to live in a society in which resources are allocation in general by edict instead of the market.
  - OrangeMusic 8mo ago
    Look it's not that hard. Is <problem> (in this case, pollution) a problem that needs solving? If the answer is yes, then it needs to be regulated even if you personally don't like laws. Sorry!
    - quotemstr 8mo ago
      Why is <problem> a problem? Because you say so? If it's such a problem, why is it so cheap to do? What cost is unaccounted?
      - mulmen 8mo ago
        By definition externality is not priced in by the market.

frm88 8mo ago

Slight correction: it wasn't even for smartphones alone, it was for portable devices in general [0]. As a consequence, all ebook devices like Kindle etc, vapes and other devices had to switch from Micro-USB to USB-C. [0] https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-common-charger-rules-power-all-your-devices-single-charger-2024-12-28_en https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-common-c...

rsynnott 8mo ago
> As a consequence, all ebook devices like Kindle etc, vapes and other devices had to switch from Micro-USB to USB-C. Finally, I can charge my book and my cigarette with one cable! (This statement would have been extremely confusing in the 90s.)