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Because it’s not their business to sell a chat app? "Our company is the frontier lab for AI models, oh and btw we also offer SlackClone, sign up for enterprise

Because it’s not their business to sell a chat app? "Our company is the frontier lab for AI models, oh and btw we also offer SlackClone, sign up for enterprise please". Their job is selling shovels, really good, increasingly more expensive shovels that keep getting better, let others waste their time looking for gold.

camdenreslink 8mo ago
But they are marketing their AI as replacing all software engineers. Their CEO can’t stop saying it. According to them the cost of producing software is now just the cost of tokens to generate it. They have special knowledge to leverage AI to clone (and even improve) huge revenue businesses with high margin. If their claims about the abilities of LLMs are accurate it would be foolish to just leave that on the table. It would also prove the power of their LLM product as truly disruptive. It would be amazing marketing!
- hattmall 8mo ago
  They care about money, they are making tons of investor money doing what they are doing, there's no incentive to pivot if it would just turn investor money into consumer money.
chickenimprint 8mo ago
Their business is making money. If they can build money printing machines, they're not going to refuse to use them because that's "not their business". Do you really think they would be out donating trillions of dollars to other companies out of the goodness of their hearts, instead of just bankrupting everyone in the software industry if they could?
- signatoremo 8mo ago
  Huh? What kind of question is that? Who waste the opportunity to win the AI race to become another Jira vendor? Everything has the opportunity cost. Didn’t you already learn that?
  - rkuodys 8mo ago
    Isnt that point kind of the counterpoint to the AI-first narrative. With standard, human driven operations its true about opportunity costs. What we are told is that AI will replace human, essentially saying that opportunity cost becomes cash only. Then the question of why doesnt AI lab start SaaS fully managed by AI becomes ever more interesting. Maybe because it's not that simple. Hence, it's not that easy in other companies as well to just replace devs, engineers and so on with AI
    - skydhash 8mo ago
      They could always help with some OSS software’s list of bugs and issues.
  - mdavid626 8mo ago
    Then why are they letting their models write browsers and compilers?
  - lpnam0201 8mo ago
    Waste ? They can become both an AI race winner AND a disruptive Jira vendor. Yet they don't. Why ? To be a successful Jira vendor will prove their point that software engineers are obsolete now. Why don't they do that already ?
dangus 8mo ago
But Google sells the productivity apps and also does the exact same things OpenAI does. If their work on Gemini is this leading world-class stuff, why aren’t Google’s software products not suddenly becoming better? Was the most recent release of Android demonstrative of a significant uptick in product iteration? Shouldn’t we suddenly be seeing Android pulling far ahead of iOS in an unusually rapid fashion because Apple doesn’t have access to the same quality of shovels? What about Microsoft Windows 11? Isn’t Microsoft a major OpenAI investor with full access to their latest and greatest? Why aren’t we seeing release schedules accelerate or feature lists growing at a faster rate? Supposedly we are selling a lot of shovels here but I don’t see a lot of holes being dug.
- adithyassekhar 8mo ago
  Android is a poor example here especially with how more and more features are moved from the OS to Play services. Google is shipping so many features without even an OS update that's how Android has always been. Even for their OS, Pixel feature drops happen every quarter. AOSP is only a base for others to build anyway, have you seen how fast samsung and others are pushing updates and uncountable number of features. It's not comparable to iOS at all.
  - dangus 8mo ago
    Okay, I agree with your premise, but can you point to some tangible acceleration in innovation. Are these Google Play features coming out faster than they used to in a way that coincides with AI adoption?
    - adithyassekhar 8mo ago
      Not really no. It's pretty much the same pace as before. I wanted to point out Android is not playing catch up to iOS in anyway in features or quality, it's the opposite. Your comment asked why Google isn't catching up to Apple with AI's help. iOS meanwhile has been regressing since 18 and is a mess now on 26.
      - 8mo ago

camdenreslink 8mo ago

But they are marketing their AI as replacing all software engineers. Their CEO can’t stop saying it. According to them the cost of producing software is now just the cost of tokens to generate it. They have special knowledge to leverage AI to clone (and even improve) huge revenue businesses with high margin. If their claims about the abilities of LLMs are accurate it would be foolish to just leave that on the table. It would also prove the power of their LLM product as truly disruptive. It would be amazing marketing!

hattmall 8mo ago
They care about money, they are making tons of investor money doing what they are doing, there's no incentive to pivot if it would just turn investor money into consumer money.

chickenimprint 8mo ago

Their business is making money. If they can build money printing machines, they're not going to refuse to use them because that's "not their business". Do you really think they would be out donating trillions of dollars to other companies out of the goodness of their hearts, instead of just bankrupting everyone in the software industry if they could?

signatoremo 8mo ago
Huh? What kind of question is that? Who waste the opportunity to win the AI race to become another Jira vendor? Everything has the opportunity cost. Didn’t you already learn that?
- rkuodys 8mo ago
  Isnt that point kind of the counterpoint to the AI-first narrative. With standard, human driven operations its true about opportunity costs. What we are told is that AI will replace human, essentially saying that opportunity cost becomes cash only. Then the question of why doesnt AI lab start SaaS fully managed by AI becomes ever more interesting. Maybe because it's not that simple. Hence, it's not that easy in other companies as well to just replace devs, engineers and so on with AI
  - skydhash 8mo ago
    They could always help with some OSS software’s list of bugs and issues.
- mdavid626 8mo ago
  Then why are they letting their models write browsers and compilers?
- lpnam0201 8mo ago
  Waste ? They can become both an AI race winner AND a disruptive Jira vendor. Yet they don't. Why ? To be a successful Jira vendor will prove their point that software engineers are obsolete now. Why don't they do that already ?

dangus 8mo ago

But Google sells the productivity apps and also does the exact same things OpenAI does. If their work on Gemini is this leading world-class stuff, why aren’t Google’s software products not suddenly becoming better? Was the most recent release of Android demonstrative of a significant uptick in product iteration? Shouldn’t we suddenly be seeing Android pulling far ahead of iOS in an unusually rapid fashion because Apple doesn’t have access to the same quality of shovels? What about Microsoft Windows 11? Isn’t Microsoft a major OpenAI investor with full access to their latest and greatest? Why aren’t we seeing release schedules accelerate or feature lists growing at a faster rate? Supposedly we are selling a lot of shovels here but I don’t see a lot of holes being dug.

adithyassekhar 8mo ago
Android is a poor example here especially with how more and more features are moved from the OS to Play services. Google is shipping so many features without even an OS update that's how Android has always been. Even for their OS, Pixel feature drops happen every quarter. AOSP is only a base for others to build anyway, have you seen how fast samsung and others are pushing updates and uncountable number of features. It's not comparable to iOS at all.
- dangus 8mo ago
  Okay, I agree with your premise, but can you point to some tangible acceleration in innovation. Are these Google Play features coming out faster than they used to in a way that coincides with AI adoption?
  - adithyassekhar 8mo ago
    Not really no. It's pretty much the same pace as before. I wanted to point out Android is not playing catch up to iOS in anyway in features or quality, it's the opposite. Your comment asked why Google isn't catching up to Apple with AI's help. iOS meanwhile has been regressing since 18 and is a mess now on 26.
    - 8mo ago