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Digital copies will also work I don’t understand why they just don’t save both the URL and the content at the URL when last checked.
by seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
Digital copies will also work I don’t understand why they just don’t save both the URL and the content at the URL when last checked.
- trollbridge 9mo agoWhat if the TOS expressly prohibits archiving it, and it's also copyrighted?
- pixl97 9mo agoThen said writers of TOS should be dragged in front of a judge to be berated, then tarred and feathered, and ran out of the courtroom on a rail. Having your cake and eating it too should never be valid law.
- croes 9mo agoMaybe we should start with those who made such copyright claims a possibility in the first place
- wizzwizz4 9mo agoThey're long, long dead.
- croes 9mo agoThere are still people who help extending it
- wizzwizz4 9mo agoIf copyright can be used to prevent the archiving of ToS documents, a copyright duration of 3 years would be sufficient. Not all objections to copyright boil down to "the Mickey Mouse Protection Act should never have passed!".
- seanmcdirmid 9mo agoI don’t think contracts and agreements that both parties can’t keep copies of are valid in any US jurisdiction.
- ninjagoo 9mo agoI think maybe because the contents of the URL archived locally aren't legally certifiable as genuine - the URL is the canonical source. That's actually a potentially good business idea - a legally certifiable archiving software that captures the content at a URL and signs it digitally at the moment of capture. Such a service may become a business requirement as Internet archivability continues to decline.
- inetknght 9mo agoIs it digitally certifiable if it's not accessible by everyone? That is: if it's not accessible by a human who was blocked?
- macintux 9mo agoOr if it potentially gives different (but still positive) results to different parties?
- leni536 9mo agoApparently perma.cc is officially used by some courts in the US. I did use it in addition to the wayback machine when I collected paper trail for a minor retail dispute, but I did not have to use it. I don't know how exactly it achieves being "legally certifiable", at least to the point that courts are trusting it. Signing and timestamping with independent transparency logs would be reasonable. https://perma.cc/sign-up/courts https://perma.cc/sign-up/courts
- ninjagoo 9mo agoThis is an interesting service, but at $10 for 10 links per month, or $100 for 500 links per month, it might be a tad bit too expensive for individuals.
- staticassertion 9mo agoThe first thing you do when you're getting this information is get PDFs from these vendors like their SOC2 attestation etc. You wouldn't just screenshot the page, that would be nuts. Any vendor who you work with should make it trivial to access these docs, even little baby startups usually make it quite accessible - although often under NDA or contract, but once that's over with you just download a zip and everything is there.