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Banning ads? That's just so authoritarian and absurd. I hope you never become king
by ahallock 8mo ago
Banning ads? That's just so authoritarian and absurd. I hope you never become king
- coldtea 8mo agoHave we come to such a low cultural point that ads are seen as some kind of basic human right? Fuck ads. What's absurd is tolerating them and the damage they do to media, consumers, kids, lesser and/or more honest businesses, culture, products, and so on all the way to the Windows and macOS system UIs.
- lobf 8mo agoI work in ads... :-/
- gchamonlive 8mo agoWhat do you do? Honest question
- lobf 8mo agoI work on the production end. I’m a producer and production manager for live-action ads.
- forgetfreeman 8mo agoWork in something else. I make significantly more doing poison ivy removal than I ever did or was ever going to working in tech.
- rogerrogerr 8mo agoAre you willing to share rough numbers? Totally understand if not, just curious. Been thinking about something like this to get away from the AI force-feeding.
- forgetfreeman 8mo ago$100-$200 an hour on average for hand work, more if I need to use an excavator.
- rogerrogerr 8mo agoWhat does the friction look like? Insurance, licensing, that kind of thing?
- forgetfreeman 7mo agoVery variable depending on a combination of local/state regulations and what kinds of projects you're willing to tackle. The bottom end of the spectrum is a $50 a month general liability policy.
- coldtea 8mo agoI think HGttG had a good solution for that involving a large spaceship.
- lobf 8mo agoI mean really I work in filmmaking. Ads just fund most of my business.
- samrus 8mo agoI used to be an elevator operator ... :-/
- duskdozer 8mo agoI mean, someone got paid for driving trucks dumping toxic waste in the river. I would support policies that ensure you don't lose access to healthcare or suffer in deep poverty from losing a job, but I'm not sympathetic to perpetuating such waste and harm on the basis of "it creates jobs".
- BurningFrog 8mo agoFreedom of speech is a basic human right. Ads are speech.
- tcfhgj 8mo agoAds aren't free speech, they are the absence of it, because you are paid for a preselected speech.
- Almondsetat 8mo agoThat is a non sequitur.
- tcfhgj 8mo agohow so?
- Almondsetat 8mo ago>paid If I get paid to say something I would have said anyway, is that not free speech? >preselected If I go to a protest with a sign that my friend made because I can't, that is not free speech?
- mr_00ff00 8mo agoWe already ban tobacco ads on tv (in the us) is their freedom of speech violated? I don’t think you need to count companies being able to put any message out there as free speech.
- coldtea 8mo ago>Ads are speech. No, they are not. People have been brainwashed and legal systems have been paid and bought for to consider them as such, just like corporations have been whitewashed to be treated as "persons". In any case, we regulate all other kinds of speech as well: explicit content, libel, classified information, cigarette ads, and so on.
- johnnyanmac 8mo agoWe're on a startup entrepreneur site. I'm not surprised it's seen as the lifeblood of the industry here. It sort of is. At the same time, this has the same energy of "if we release all the files, the system will collapse". Maybe we need the billionaires to feel some pain sometimes (even if yes, we'll feel more overall).
- gchamonlive 8mo agoRegulation is freedom. Think of ads powering the web as current day's lead in gas.
- ahallock 8mo agoRegulation is freedom? Peace is war, too, I guess.
- AmbroseBierce 8mo agoRegulation took away your freedom when it took asbestos out of your house right? Please be serious.
- b112 8mo agoViewing this thread, and the back and forth of it, I need to say something. Advertising sucks in this thread too. By that I mean, people are not speaking plainly, and it is almost ingrained into our societies now. We "sell" our position in a discussion, a debate. For example, regulation does curtail freedom. Completely. However, lack of regulation can harm people. Significantly. Thus, regulation does not give people more freedom, it can however reduce harm. In democratic nations, often judges will weigh these two things, when determining if a regulation passes the muster. In my country, we have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and often judges will determine if a challenged regulation is of sufficient, required public good, whilst not overtly reducing freedom of the individual. This is a mature conversation. Advertising is not. A primary example I've seen in the US, is people calling immigrants "undocumented" on one side, and "criminals" on the other. This is, of course, a reduction in nuance, and designed to advertise a position merely with the words used. And it is a societal sickness. An illegal alien is just that, and using that term confers no judgement, for it is simply fact. There was a time when politics were not first and fore in terms of the use of language. The current trend to be "touchy feely" over use of language, and find great offense at the use of language, does nothing other than stop debate. Reduce discussion. Cause schism instead of collaboration. And there are those around us, which prefer that. Don't feed them.
- forgetfreeman 8mo agoTell that to the tobacco industry yeah?
- gchamonlive 8mo agoYeah hospitals cost money
- AngryData 8mo agoI disagree, most advertising is just an attempt at manipulation, not just a genuine "our products exist and you might like them." I would consider not being legally manipulated, especially by financially interested groups, more free than the reverse.
- hunterpayne 8mo agoSo are about 90% of the posts on this topic (any political topic really).