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If you place blades on the sidewalk outside your house the cops will want to have a word with you. There's no excuse, and we should treat AI the same. The law
by avaer 9mo ago
If you place blades on the sidewalk outside your house the cops will want to have a word with you. There's no excuse, and we should treat AI the same.
The law needs to catch up -- and fast -- and start punishing people for what their AIs are doing. Don't complain to OpenAI, don't try to censor the models. Just make sure the system robustly and thoroughly punishes bad actors and gets them off the computer. I hope that's not a pipe dream, or we're screwed.
Maybe some day AIs will have rights and responsibilities like people, enforced by law. But until then, the justice systems needs to make people accountable for what their technology does. And I hope the justice system sets a precedent that blaming the AI is not a valid defense.
- SpicyLemonZest 9mo agoBut there's nothing to catch up on at the individual level here. It's legal, and should be legal even though it's quite rude, for individuals to write gratuitously mean blog posts about people who reject their pull requests.
- otikik 9mo agoThere's many things that are completely legal but could be done to the bot owner in retaliation. Especially if he continues to not apologize.
- slopinthebag 9mo agoNot just the users, the service providers too! If I go to any other business and pay them to break the law and they do it, they're also liable! If you ask OpenAI or xAi to break the law and they do it, why shouldn't they also be responsible?
- fragmede 9mo agoDo we hold gun manufacturers responsible for the deaths from their guns? The answer to that Isa whole quagmire that is basically the same.
- lwelyk 9mo agoAI training and algorithms are trained and guided to certain kinds of results. Grok, for example, is claimed to be modified constantly according to Elon Musk's whims. If you theoretically trained an AI on libel and had it set to libel anyone at the slightest prompt, then allowed users to make a request that had your AI on your server use your services to libel someone, I'm not really seeing how you would not be liable.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> Do we hold gun manufacturers responsible for the deaths from their guns? In a lot of the world, yes, and in America we would as well if it weren’t for the modern take on the Second Amendment. AI has no similar legal purchase.
- card_zero 9mo agoBut there are lots of similar quandaries: Bitey dogs. Dangerous drugs and their users and purveyors. Heroin, weed, booze, coffee. Things done while on drugs. Things done while insane. Unhealthy food and its purveyors and consumers. Social media and its "addicts". TV, any old media, and social panic. The question "whose fault?" isn't simple.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> * The question "whose fault?" isn't simple* Most of your examples have exquisitely-simple causation.
- card_zero 9mo agoOK, I'll say "no they don't". Over to you.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo agoLiterally first one. “Bitey dogs.” In what jurisdiction is a dog biting a person legally ambiguous in respect of liability?
- socalgal2 9mo ago> Don't complain to OpenAI does a disclaimer let OpenAI off the hook? If asked OpenAI how to clean something and it tells me "mix bleach with anmonia and then rub some on the stain", can OpenAI hide behind "we had a disclaimer that you shouldn't trust answers from our service"