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As a lifelong Android user (in the EU, where Apple hegemony is not as strong) I always saw Apple as the "pay more for more polished ecosystem UX" option. So it
by Liftyee 8mo ago
As a lifelong Android user (in the EU, where Apple hegemony is not as strong) I always saw Apple as the "pay more for more polished ecosystem UX" option. So it always surprises me when things that are trivial on Android/Linux are sticking points on iOS/macOS. Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.
- metabagel 8mo agoApple’s implementation of desktops/workspaces is maddening.
- wilkystyle 8mo agoLong-time iOS user here. My motivation for iPhone has always been "you pay more for fewer features and customization, but the UX is more polished." For the past 5-ish years, the UX has consistently gotten considerably worse. Not just the usual things like the horrible keyboard and atrocious Siri capabilities, it's all the stuff that used to just work. Nothing deal-breaking by itself, but all together feels like death by a thousand cuts. I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering Android.
- fodkodrasz 8mo agoAlso add Liquid Glass, it strains the eyes. Even siri got worse, when I say call <nickname of my gitfriend> now it does some location based search, and calls sonebody, when near home it is a doctor, when on the other side of the river it is a flower shop, at othe rplaces other random non-contacts, with a contact having the sting it used for search, as her nickname is always part of the called person… It used to work flawlessly as expected… I would be fine with Siri actually if if could handle simple fixed phrase based task, no AI, as it could a few years ago.
- wilkystyle 8mo agoThe most frustrating aspect of Siri's quality decline is that super-basic things inexplicably stop working. For years I have been able to say "call <wife's name>" and Siri called my wife. A couple weeks ago she started dialing another contact I haven't talked to in 15 years with a similarly-pronounced name (but different spelling). I had to delete the old contact to stop that behavior from happening.
- JohnMakin 8mo agoThey said it was Apple Intelligence - they didn't tell you how intelligent it would be!
- threetonesun 8mo agoI mainly use Siri for cooking timers, I really enjoyed the brief period of time where it started flipping 50 minutes and 15 minutes. And then went back, for some reason, but not after I started using things like 14 minutes and 59 seconds or 51 minutes to make it think just a little harder.
- brynjolf 8mo agoMy Siri just forgets to confirm the timer. So I go to find my phone swearing at it just to figure out it did set a timer, but for the wrong time. It simply didn't tell me.
- SoftTalker 8mo agoFirst thing I did when I got an iPhone was disable Siri as much as possible.
- mmh0000 8mo agoI’m not sure if gitfriend is a typo. I’m lonely and really want a gitfriend to push and merge with! Please tell the story of how you got one! /s for the /s impaired
- DonHopkins 8mo agoI'm afraid of commits.
- dotancohen 8mo agoYou could wait a bit after forking.
- BeetleB 8mo agoIt always ends up with a lot of blaming. In extreme cases, it terminates with a bisect.
- randerson 8mo agoI'll sometimes ask Siri to take me to a local address, and it'll instead pick some random address in a city 2500+ miles away and start routing me there like that's obviously what i wanted
- yndoendo 8mo agoFrom an outsider that used their products years ago. Apple has shifted from working to produce quality to working to maximize profit ... when it comes to software. The only thing that would change this would be a new CEO or Apple hemorrhaging money with more people buy alternative solutions. To be fair ... Microsoft is in the same down hill spiral in quality and the IT industry staying with them allows form the to do this.
- sleight42 8mo agoSteve would've never let this shit happen. This is a way that Tim has been failing Apple and its customers. The quality just isn't there any more. "It [doesnt] just work". And the UX is increasingly terrible. I have also been considering switching to Android. The Apple tax is decreasingly worth it when it don't buy quality.
- WarmWash 8mo agoIn the US Apple is the "Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you" option. Outside of tech circles (where apparently people easily get their entire family and friend network on signal), people want to use imessage and only want to use imessage. Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage. So you need a high quality phone like iphone so you can use imessage and easily communicate with your friends and family. This strategy of leveraging friends and family to pressure people into getting iPhones was intentional and came out in the Epic trial lawsuit. I shit you not there is a large percentage of people in the US that think Android phones are not capable of sending pcitures and videos.
- ryandrake 8mo ago> "Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you" Maybe your "social group". If your friends refuse to talk to you because of the cell phone brand you use, I have bad news for you: They might not really be great friends.
- creaturemachine 8mo agoThis is the state of friendship in the social media age.
- etrautmann 8mo agoThat’s not what this is about. If you have a group chat with one android user, it used to make all aspects of the interactions clunkier. Green bubbles, sending a new text instead of reactions, etc. as such, people would get left off of a list. Those small interactions add up over time.
- malfist 8mo agoIf your "friends" care enough about small stuff like that to cut you out of their conversations, they're not your friends.
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- inferniac 8mo agoTheir software quality really went downhill in recent years, really hope whoever comes in after Cook treats it as priority
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo agoRecent? They have been last to get Widgets. They don't have apps I use (terminals, emulators, pulse wave generators). Not to mention Gemini AI is actually really nice for scanning a screen and doing actions with it. Apple is always 2nd place or worse. Except marketing, they are #1.
- karlshea 8mo ago"Quality" and "features you happen to want" are two different things.
- metabagel 8mo agoTheir hardware is world class. Software? Not so much.
- soperj 8mo agoThey sold the Macbook air with Broadwell processors for over 3 years. They only changed the processors because intel discontinued them. They skipped 3 generations of processors.
- wtallis 8mo agoIt would also be fair to say they didn't skip any generation of processors with that gap in updates, they merely sat out the first two years of Intel shipping Skylake five years in a row. And in the meantime, they did use those first two years of Skylake for the 12" MacBook; the next update to the MacBook Air was after the last update the 12" MacBook ever got. For a while, the 12" MacBook was the more premium, thinner and lighter alternative to the MacBook Air with more advanced technology (and could plausibly have been construed as the intended successor to the MacBook Air), then in 2018 they merged back together with the introduction of the first MacBook Air with a Retina Display.
- OJFord 8mo agoAnd to be clear 'do anything to fix them yourself' is as simple as install a third-party keyboard from the official Play Store, if you had such an issue as this with the default 'GBoard'.
- nozzlegear 8mo agoYou can install third-party keyboards on iOS too, I'm not sure why that's not considered an option in this case.
- stavros 8mo agoI had an iPhone for three months until I switched back to Android because the keyboard was trash. The one thing I could not believe is how even SwiftKey on iOS is horrible, even though it's my default keyboard on Android, and I've been very happy with it.
- lysace 8mo agoThis comment explains why: https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1l2gg3r/thirdparty_ios_keyboards_sandboxed_gimped_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1l2gg3r/thirdparty_ios... tl;dr: gatekeeping by Apple. Yes, it would probably be embarassing to Apple if someone built a way better touch keyboard.
- Someone1234 8mo agoThat definitely explains SOME of why SwiftKey is worse on iOS, but it doesn't explain much of it. It just seems like Microsoft never got it to feature parity.
- DiskoHexyl 8mo ago3rd party keyboards are frequently banned from some of the bank apps, delivery services and so on. This way you have to keep the default one anyway and make even more typos when yet another app forces you to get back to Apple’s keyboard. I can’t even search stuff in my local delivery with SwiftKey
- nozzlegear 8mo agoAnecdote but I've never had issues with the keyboard, or with Siri mishearing me (just to touch on another common pain point that people talk about re: Apple tech). I've always interpreted stories like this as the people who are most affected by it being vocal and speaking out (as they should), while the majority who aren't just have nothing to say because it all works fine. > Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself. We can install third-party keyboards on iOS, so I'm not sure why that's not being considered here.
- unethical_ban 8mo agoWhen I had iPhone for work, the first thing I did was install gboard. Iphone's native keyboard has always been less accurate. I have no idea how to describe it because I haven't researched it.
- dylan604 8mo ago> the majority who aren't just have nothing to say because it all works fine. This is a bad way to go through life with this reasoning. It is pretty well understood that in normal situations the vast majority of people are not vocal even if they feel the same way about things the vocal people are saying. As an example I use a lot, congress critters use a formula to get the pulse of the constituents. If they receive a hand written letter (yes, I learned about the formula when people did that), they'd multiply that by some factor knowing that if one person felt strongly enough to send in a letter that others also felt that way. Phone calls were the same, but with a smaller multiplier as it was easier to make a call that write a letter followed by emails with yet a smaller mult. This was all well before social media, but I'd imagine searching tweets would give a pretty good indicator as well now. A single tweet would be worth something, but tweets with lots of retweets and heavy comment activity would be something else. Even if a tweet is something done pretty much on a whim with little thought behind it like that letter. The silent majority is called that for a reason. It doesn't mean they are happy or content. Ignore that reality at your own peril.
- thatswrong0 8mo agoo/ I'm a silent majority member for sure. I've seen these complaints before and I nod my head every time remembering that "Oh yeah, this DOES suck but I just put up with it because it happens so frequently and there ain't no way I'm switching ecosystems". Sidenote: please Apple, if I type the same misspelled (but not) thing two times in a row, just leave it be. And no, I did not mean "what the he'll". And why is selecting text so hard.
- mzmzmzm 8mo agoI recently switched to iPhone for network reasons, and some UI/UX things are really shocking. There is no way to toggle location services without going into settings. The alarms are tricky to set and don't have niceties like telling you the time until your morning alarm. There is no clipboard history. They want you to use swipe gestures so much, the touch targets to exit fullscreen media are barely functional. If you use browser extensions and a browser other than Safari, to change their settings you don't open the app that bundles the extension; you don't look in the menus of your browser or Safari; you dig several layers into Safari's app preferences to find the extension's settings. After such praise, there are so many rough edges I can't believe iOS users just put up with.
- pidge 8mo agoI’m curious and suffering from a failure of imagination—why toggle location services regularly?
- AlotOfReading 8mo agoIncreased privacy and decreased battery use when disabled, presumably.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 8mo agoIf you are not actively benefitting from GPS, why let the man get a constant lock on your location? Make them suffer with cellphone tower pings. I too keep GPS off unless I am navigating.
- avidiax 8mo agoWhy is the toggle allowed at all? Presumably, sometimes we don't want apps to know where we are and record/share that to the highest bidder. International travellers will know that some apps will alter behavior or refuse to work based on your location, if it's provided. If I use a VPN, I want the app or website to use only the IP location*, not the radio location.
- ASalazarMX 8mo agoIt's even deeper than that. You know the fancy side button that is designed to be used as a camera shortcut? You don't need that shortcut? Guess that button is unusable for you, because you won't be able to assign it to anything else. Meanwhile the lock button long-press was hijacked for Siri, so now you have to click it five times if you want to turn off the phone. And don't get me started on the useless back tap, which now displays a popup randomly, trying to seduce you into using it instead of a physical button, but the detection is so flaky I doubt anyone actually uses it.
- arnoooooo 8mo agoI also had that idea before I tried to use Apple products to help friends... I really was amazed at the hoops you had to jump through for things which should have been really simple. That was a long time ago.
- jccalhoun 8mo agoI am an android and windows user but i have an ipad and i listen to an apple-centric podcast and I'm amazed at the things that don't work. I've been using swiftkey on android since before MS bought it so I kept using it on ipad. The ipad reverts to the apple keyboard all the time. On macos there was a post a day or two ago about window arrangement which seems very inferior to windows. I was in the mac lab at school and was surprised that there's no multi item clipboard built in. The answer seems to be use a 3rd party app for these but it seems odd that such basic things aren't built in.
- rehevkor5 8mo agoMore like, "everything is proprietary, so you get locked in".
- brynjolf 8mo agoOne thing that blew my mind in a negative way, was pasting a phonenumber into the caller and not being able to edit it. If you paste a number and want for example to add the country code you simply cannot. You can only remove numbers. If you want to edit it, you have to open the notes app, paste it, edit it and paste it back into the caller.