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What doesn’t make sense to me is that the cameras are no where as good as human eyes. The dynamic range sucks, it doesn’t put down a visor or where sunglasses t

What doesn’t make sense to me is that the cameras are no where as good as human eyes. The dynamic range sucks, it doesn’t put down a visor or where sunglasses to deal with beaming light, resolution is much worse, etc. why not invest in the cameras themselves if this is your claim?

Rohansi 8mo ago
I always see this argument but from experience I don't buy it. FSD and its cameras work fine driving with the sun directly in front of the car. When driving manually I need the visor so far down I can only see the bottom of the car in front of me. The cameras on Teslas only really lose visibility when dirty. Especially in winter when there's salt everywhere. Only the very latest models (2025+?) have decent self-cleaning for the cameras that get very dirty.
- jeffbee 8mo ago
  FSD doesn't "work fine" driving directly into the sun. There are loads of YT videos that demonstrate this.
  - Rohansi 8mo ago
    For which car? The older the car (hardware) version the worse it is. I've never had any front camera blinding issues with a 2022 car (HW3). The thing to remember about cameras is what you see in an image/display is not what the camera sees. Processing the image reduces the dynamic range but FSD could work off of the raw sensor data.
    - jeffbee 8mo ago
      Nobody cares that you think v14.7.22b runs well on HW3.1. Literally nobody.
      - Rohansi 8mo ago
        It doesn't run well on HW3 at all. HW4 has significantly better FSD when running comparable versions (v14). The software has little to do with the front camera getting blinded though.
- gf000 8mo ago
  "works fine" as in can follow a wide asphalt roads' white lines. That is absolutely trivial thing, Lego mind storms could follow a line just fine with a black/white sensor. This vision clearly doesn't scale to more complex scenarios.
  - Rohansi 8mo ago
    No, works fine when it's snowing and roads are covered with snow (no lines visible). At least on the latest HW+SW.
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Veserv 8mo ago
Especially the part where the cameras do not meet minimum vision requirements [1] in many states where it operates such as California and Texas. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43605034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43605034

Rohansi 8mo ago

I always see this argument but from experience I don't buy it. FSD and its cameras work fine driving with the sun directly in front of the car. When driving manually I need the visor so far down I can only see the bottom of the car in front of me. The cameras on Teslas only really lose visibility when dirty. Especially in winter when there's salt everywhere. Only the very latest models (2025+?) have decent self-cleaning for the cameras that get very dirty.

jeffbee 8mo ago
FSD doesn't "work fine" driving directly into the sun. There are loads of YT videos that demonstrate this.
- Rohansi 8mo ago
  For which car? The older the car (hardware) version the worse it is. I've never had any front camera blinding issues with a 2022 car (HW3). The thing to remember about cameras is what you see in an image/display is not what the camera sees. Processing the image reduces the dynamic range but FSD could work off of the raw sensor data.
  - jeffbee 8mo ago
    Nobody cares that you think v14.7.22b runs well on HW3.1. Literally nobody.
    - Rohansi 8mo ago
      It doesn't run well on HW3 at all. HW4 has significantly better FSD when running comparable versions (v14). The software has little to do with the front camera getting blinded though.
gf000 8mo ago
"works fine" as in can follow a wide asphalt roads' white lines. That is absolutely trivial thing, Lego mind storms could follow a line just fine with a black/white sensor. This vision clearly doesn't scale to more complex scenarios.
- Rohansi 8mo ago
  No, works fine when it's snowing and roads are covered with snow (no lines visible). At least on the latest HW+SW.
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Veserv 8mo ago

Especially the part where the cameras do not meet minimum vision requirements [1] in many states where it operates such as California and Texas. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43605034 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43605034