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Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously,

Their models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing options is just nonexistent. It uses Russian propaganda sources for answers and switches to Chinese mid sentence (!), while explaining some generic Python functionality. It’s an embarrassment and I don’t know how they justify 20 euro price tag on it.

HardCodedBias 9mo ago
Their models are absolutely not impressive. Not a single person is using it for coding (outside of Google itself). Maybe some people on a very generous free plan. Their model is a fine mid 2025 model, backed by enormous compute resources and an army of GDM engineers to help the “researchers” keep the model on task as it traverses the “tree of thoughts”. But that isn’t “the model” that’s an old model backed by massive money.
- chermi 9mo ago
  Uhh, just false.
  - HardCodedBias 9mo ago
    It's just poop tier. Come on. Worthless. Do you have any market counter points. Market counter points that aren't really just a repackaging of: 1. "Google has the world's best distribution" and/or 2. "Google has a firehose of money that allows them to sell their 'AI product' at an enormous discount? Good luck!
mavamaarten 9mo ago
I agree. On top of that, in true Google style, basic things just don't work. Any time I upload an attachment, it just fails with something vague like "couldn't process file". Whether that's a simple .MD or .txt with less than 100 lines or a PDF. I tried making a gem today. It just wouldn't let me save it, with some vague error too. I also tried having it read and write stuff to "my stuff" and Google drive. But it would consistently write but not be able to read from it again. Or would read one file from Google drive and ignore everything else. Their models are seriously impressive. But as usual Google sucks at making them work well in real products.
- davoneus 9mo ago
  I don't find that at all. At work, we've no access to the API, so we have to force feed a dozen (or more) documents, code and instruction prompts through the web interface upload interface. The only failures I've ever had in well over 300 sessions were due to connectivity issues, not interface failures. Context window blowouts? All the time, but never document upload failures.
  - pixl97 9mo ago
    Honestly this is as Google product as you can get. Prizes for some, beatings for others.
  - mavamaarten 9mo ago
    I'm talking about Gemini in the app and on the web. As well as AI studio. At work we go through Copilot, but there the agentic mode with Gemini isn't the best either.
- stavros 9mo ago
  What I love about Gemini mobile is that, if you look at the app wrong, it completely loses the response. It still generates it (and uses up your quota), but it never displays it! This is the company that made Android, and it can't make an Android app that fetches a response from a server. Astonishing.
chermanowicz 9mo ago
It's so capable at some things, and others are garbage. I uploaded a photo of some words for a spelling bee and asked it to quiz my kid on the words. The first word it asked, wasn't on the list. After multiple attempts to get it to start asking only the words in the uploaded pic, it did, and then would get the spellings wrong in the Q&A. I gave up.
- romanows 9mo ago
  I had it process a photo of my D&D character sheet and help me debug it as I'm a n00b at the game. Also did a decent, although not perfect, job of adding up a handwritten bowling score sheet.
kilroy123 9mo ago
Sadly true. It is also one of the worst models to have a sort of ongoing conversation with.
sequin 9mo ago
How can the models be impressive if they switch to Chinese mid-sentence? I've observed those bizarre bugs too. Even GPT-3 didn't have those. Maybe GPT-2 did. It's actually impressive that they managed to botch it so badly. Google is great at some things, but this isn't it.
gokhan 9mo ago
Agreed on the product. I can't make Gemini read my emails on GMail. One day it says it doesn't have access, the other day it says Query unsuccessful. Claude Desktop has no problem reaching to GMail, on the other hand :)
jorl17 9mo ago
Antigravity is an embarrassment. The models feel terrible, somehow, like they're being fed terrible system prompts. Plus the damn thing kept crashing and asking me to "restart it". What?! At least Kiro does what it says on the tin.
- jeanloolz 9mo ago
  My experience with Antigravity is the opposite. It's the first time in over 10 years that an IDE has managed to take me out a bit out of the jetbrain suite. I did not think that was something possible as I am a hardcore jetbrain user/lover.
  - isqueiros 9mo ago
    It's literally just vscode? I tried it the other day and I couldn't tell it apart from windsurf besides the icon in my dock
    - nprateem 9mo ago
      Yeah same here. Even though it's vscode I'm still using it and don't plan to renew Intellij again. Gemini was crap but Opus smashes it. It is windsurf isn't it, why would you expect it to be different?
  - jorl17 9mo ago
    Have you tried Cursor or VS Code with Github Copilot in agent mode (recently, not 3 or 6 months ago)? I've recently tried a buuuuunch of stuff (including Antigravity and Kiro) and I really, really, could not stomach Antigravity.
- solarkraft 9mo ago
  I disagree. At least in my brief test drive, when used with Claude, the performance was on par with Cursor except that the Agent could actually interact with the terminal properly (Cursor is comically bad at this for some reason). When the (generous!) Claude credits dry up functionality stops however. Gemini is as useless in Antigravity as everywhere else.
navigate8310 9mo ago
100x agree. It gives inconsistent edits, would regularly try to perform things I explicitly command to not.
blinding-streak 9mo ago
I don't have any of these issues with Gemini. I use it heavily everyday. A few glitches here and there, but it's been enormously productive for me. Far more so then chatgpt, which I find mostly useless.
e40 9mo ago
And it gives incorrect answers about itself and google’s services all the time. It kept pointing me to nonexistent ui elements. At least it apologizes profusely! ffs
Footprint0521 9mo ago
It’s all context/ use case; I’ve had weird things too but if you only use markdown inputs and specific prompts Gemini 3 Pro is insane, not to mention the context window Also because of the long context window (1 mil tokens on thinking and pro! Claude and OpenAI only have 128k) deep research is the best That being said, for coding I definitely still use Codex with GPT 5.3 XHigh lol
aerhardt 9mo ago
I've used their Pro models very successfully in demanding API workloads (classification, extraction, synthesis). On benchmarks it crushed the GPT-5 family. Gemini is my default right now for all API work. It took me however a week to ditch Gemini 3 as a user. The hallucinations were off the charts compared to GPT-5. I've never even bothered with their CLI offering.

HardCodedBias 9mo ago

Their models are absolutely not impressive. Not a single person is using it for coding (outside of Google itself). Maybe some people on a very generous free plan. Their model is a fine mid 2025 model, backed by enormous compute resources and an army of GDM engineers to help the “researchers” keep the model on task as it traverses the “tree of thoughts”. But that isn’t “the model” that’s an old model backed by massive money.

chermi 9mo ago
Uhh, just false.
- HardCodedBias 9mo ago
  It's just poop tier. Come on. Worthless. Do you have any market counter points. Market counter points that aren't really just a repackaging of: 1. "Google has the world's best distribution" and/or 2. "Google has a firehose of money that allows them to sell their 'AI product' at an enormous discount? Good luck!

mavamaarten 9mo ago

I agree. On top of that, in true Google style, basic things just don't work. Any time I upload an attachment, it just fails with something vague like "couldn't process file". Whether that's a simple .MD or .txt with less than 100 lines or a PDF. I tried making a gem today. It just wouldn't let me save it, with some vague error too. I also tried having it read and write stuff to "my stuff" and Google drive. But it would consistently write but not be able to read from it again. Or would read one file from Google drive and ignore everything else. Their models are seriously impressive. But as usual Google sucks at making them work well in real products.

davoneus 9mo ago
I don't find that at all. At work, we've no access to the API, so we have to force feed a dozen (or more) documents, code and instruction prompts through the web interface upload interface. The only failures I've ever had in well over 300 sessions were due to connectivity issues, not interface failures. Context window blowouts? All the time, but never document upload failures.
- pixl97 9mo ago
  Honestly this is as Google product as you can get. Prizes for some, beatings for others.
- mavamaarten 9mo ago
  I'm talking about Gemini in the app and on the web. As well as AI studio. At work we go through Copilot, but there the agentic mode with Gemini isn't the best either.
stavros 9mo ago
What I love about Gemini mobile is that, if you look at the app wrong, it completely loses the response. It still generates it (and uses up your quota), but it never displays it! This is the company that made Android, and it can't make an Android app that fetches a response from a server. Astonishing.

chermanowicz 9mo ago

It's so capable at some things, and others are garbage. I uploaded a photo of some words for a spelling bee and asked it to quiz my kid on the words. The first word it asked, wasn't on the list. After multiple attempts to get it to start asking only the words in the uploaded pic, it did, and then would get the spellings wrong in the Q&A. I gave up.

romanows 9mo ago
I had it process a photo of my D&D character sheet and help me debug it as I'm a n00b at the game. Also did a decent, although not perfect, job of adding up a handwritten bowling score sheet.

kilroy123 9mo ago

Sadly true. It is also one of the worst models to have a sort of ongoing conversation with.

sequin 9mo ago

How can the models be impressive if they switch to Chinese mid-sentence? I've observed those bizarre bugs too. Even GPT-3 didn't have those. Maybe GPT-2 did. It's actually impressive that they managed to botch it so badly. Google is great at some things, but this isn't it.

gokhan 9mo ago

Agreed on the product. I can't make Gemini read my emails on GMail. One day it says it doesn't have access, the other day it says Query unsuccessful. Claude Desktop has no problem reaching to GMail, on the other hand :)

jorl17 9mo ago

Antigravity is an embarrassment. The models feel terrible, somehow, like they're being fed terrible system prompts. Plus the damn thing kept crashing and asking me to "restart it". What?! At least Kiro does what it says on the tin.

jeanloolz 9mo ago
My experience with Antigravity is the opposite. It's the first time in over 10 years that an IDE has managed to take me out a bit out of the jetbrain suite. I did not think that was something possible as I am a hardcore jetbrain user/lover.
- isqueiros 9mo ago
  It's literally just vscode? I tried it the other day and I couldn't tell it apart from windsurf besides the icon in my dock
  - nprateem 9mo ago
    Yeah same here. Even though it's vscode I'm still using it and don't plan to renew Intellij again. Gemini was crap but Opus smashes it. It is windsurf isn't it, why would you expect it to be different?
- jorl17 9mo ago
  Have you tried Cursor or VS Code with Github Copilot in agent mode (recently, not 3 or 6 months ago)? I've recently tried a buuuuunch of stuff (including Antigravity and Kiro) and I really, really, could not stomach Antigravity.
solarkraft 9mo ago
I disagree. At least in my brief test drive, when used with Claude, the performance was on par with Cursor except that the Agent could actually interact with the terminal properly (Cursor is comically bad at this for some reason). When the (generous!) Claude credits dry up functionality stops however. Gemini is as useless in Antigravity as everywhere else.

navigate8310 9mo ago

100x agree. It gives inconsistent edits, would regularly try to perform things I explicitly command to not.

blinding-streak 9mo ago

I don't have any of these issues with Gemini. I use it heavily everyday. A few glitches here and there, but it's been enormously productive for me. Far more so then chatgpt, which I find mostly useless.

e40 9mo ago

And it gives incorrect answers about itself and google’s services all the time. It kept pointing me to nonexistent ui elements. At least it apologizes profusely! ffs

Footprint0521 9mo ago

It’s all context/ use case; I’ve had weird things too but if you only use markdown inputs and specific prompts Gemini 3 Pro is insane, not to mention the context window Also because of the long context window (1 mil tokens on thinking and pro! Claude and OpenAI only have 128k) deep research is the best That being said, for coding I definitely still use Codex with GPT 5.3 XHigh lol

aerhardt 9mo ago

I've used their Pro models very successfully in demanding API workloads (classification, extraction, synthesis). On benchmarks it crushed the GPT-5 family. Gemini is my default right now for all API work. It took me however a week to ditch Gemini 3 as a user. The hallucinations were off the charts compared to GPT-5. I've never even bothered with their CLI offering.