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Do you live somewhere with high crime? The reason deliveries work this way in the US is that porch pirates are uncommon. There is a flurry of them during the

Do you live somewhere with high crime? The reason deliveries work this way in the US is that porch pirates are uncommon. There is a flurry of them during the holidays, but even then, the vast majority of deliveries are just fine. > What are you going to do with that information? Nothing, because by the time I look at my doorbell camera I would already have told the shipper the package was swiped and they will have shipped a replacement. They might take it up with the shipper, or call it a cost of doing business, whatever, but it won't be -my- problem.

Fabricio20 8mo ago
Porch pirates are so uncommon that it became a yearly hunt/thing for a major american youtuber and is the only reason people outside the US even know it exists!
- rootusrootus 8mo ago
  Ah yes, porch pirates do not exist anywhere but in the US. You know that the reason someone can make it newsworthy is because it is uncommon, yeah? A security firm, which may have a particular interest in the numbers being skewed in a certain direction, pegs the number at 250K packages stolen from porches every day. Sounds like a huge problem! There are 60M packages delivered every day. Even if they are providing accurate numbers, which I doubt, it is uncommon.
seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
If you live somewhere with high property crime and a large fent problem, the problem isn’t that uncommon. But I have lots of cameras and yell them off (and pick up deliveries quickly).
frm88 8mo ago
No, they live somewhere with a working postal law like Germany. Hand it directly to the addressed or a person authorised by the addressed (in which case inform the recipient via card or sms) or deposit it in a postbox, post office. This way it is secure that you receive your stuff even if you are not at home: https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Fachthemen/Post/RegelungenZurPostversorgung/start.html https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Fachthemen/Post/Regelung...
- Auracle 8mo ago
  The US is very rural compared to Germany. If I had to drive to a post office for every package that would be a ridiculous hassle. Plus if the delivery try companies needed to hand it to people in person that’s going to take a lot more time, most of which will be completely wasted as people are at work. That means they’ll need a ton more delivery drivers, they’ll use a ton more gas, and our shipping rates will go up a lot. Where I live nobody can even see my door from the road. Our laws “work” just fine for our situation.
  - frm88 8mo ago
    I was specifically responding to: Do you live somewhere with high crime? My bad, should have quoted it. The post depot boxes are located every couple of kilometers, you could walk there. You can define the people allowed to receive your parcel, don't tell me you don't have at-home neighbours at all in your street/block. I prefer this to total neighbourhood surveillance and laws that work "just fine" except where they need to protect my privacy.
    - bongoman42 8mo ago
      I don't even live in a super rural area, but if you think you could just walk a couple of kms in a couple of foot of snow to get something like a bookcase and bring it over is hilarious. Also, I would rather not receive packages for my neighbors, and I assume they wouldn't for me either. Ring works fine, I don't share the footage but I feel it is a cost of living in high crime regions.
- josefx 8mo ago
  You leave out that they can keep it in a warehouse at the other side of the country for pickup and there is no law saying that it cannot be further away than the point of origin. Fun times. Sadly I rarely see an option for "place it with a neon sign on my front porch" when I order things online, because the chance of having things stolen would often be preferable to a daytrip to the middle of nowhere.
- nobody9999 8mo ago

Fabricio20 8mo ago

Porch pirates are so uncommon that it became a yearly hunt/thing for a major american youtuber and is the only reason people outside the US even know it exists!

rootusrootus 8mo ago
Ah yes, porch pirates do not exist anywhere but in the US. You know that the reason someone can make it newsworthy is because it is uncommon, yeah? A security firm, which may have a particular interest in the numbers being skewed in a certain direction, pegs the number at 250K packages stolen from porches every day. Sounds like a huge problem! There are 60M packages delivered every day. Even if they are providing accurate numbers, which I doubt, it is uncommon.

seanmcdirmid 8mo ago

If you live somewhere with high property crime and a large fent problem, the problem isn’t that uncommon. But I have lots of cameras and yell them off (and pick up deliveries quickly).

frm88 8mo ago

No, they live somewhere with a working postal law like Germany. Hand it directly to the addressed or a person authorised by the addressed (in which case inform the recipient via card or sms) or deposit it in a postbox, post office. This way it is secure that you receive your stuff even if you are not at home: https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Fachthemen/Post/RegelungenZurPostversorgung/start.html https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Fachthemen/Post/Regelung...

Auracle 8mo ago
The US is very rural compared to Germany. If I had to drive to a post office for every package that would be a ridiculous hassle. Plus if the delivery try companies needed to hand it to people in person that’s going to take a lot more time, most of which will be completely wasted as people are at work. That means they’ll need a ton more delivery drivers, they’ll use a ton more gas, and our shipping rates will go up a lot. Where I live nobody can even see my door from the road. Our laws “work” just fine for our situation.
- frm88 8mo ago
  I was specifically responding to: Do you live somewhere with high crime? My bad, should have quoted it. The post depot boxes are located every couple of kilometers, you could walk there. You can define the people allowed to receive your parcel, don't tell me you don't have at-home neighbours at all in your street/block. I prefer this to total neighbourhood surveillance and laws that work "just fine" except where they need to protect my privacy.
  - bongoman42 8mo ago
    I don't even live in a super rural area, but if you think you could just walk a couple of kms in a couple of foot of snow to get something like a bookcase and bring it over is hilarious. Also, I would rather not receive packages for my neighbors, and I assume they wouldn't for me either. Ring works fine, I don't share the footage but I feel it is a cost of living in high crime regions.
josefx 8mo ago
You leave out that they can keep it in a warehouse at the other side of the country for pickup and there is no law saying that it cannot be further away than the point of origin. Fun times. Sadly I rarely see an option for "place it with a neon sign on my front porch" when I order things online, because the chance of having things stolen would often be preferable to a daytrip to the middle of nowhere.
nobody9999 8mo ago