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https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

ukuina 8mo ago
Patching's not long for this world; Claude Code has moved to binary releases. Soon, the NPM release will just be a thin wrapper around the binary.
- InvisGhost 8mo ago
  Where there's a will, there's a way
- shepherdjerred 8mo ago
  the binary is just bun. I wrote this to inspect CC https://github.com/shepherdjerred/monorepo/tree/main/packages/bun-decompile https://github.com/shepherdjerred/monorepo/tree/main/package...
  - yencabulator 8mo ago
    Kinda crazy to buy a Javascript engine company to obfuscate your React TUI.
    - shepherdjerred 8mo ago
      I doubt that's why they bought it. It's not obfuscated; just minified.
nine_k 8mo ago
I just assume that they realized that they can split the offering, and to charge for the top tier more. (Yes, even more.) If Claude Code can replace an engineer, it should cost just a bit less than an engineer, not half as much.
- co_king_3 8mo ago
  I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $80,000-$120,000 per year to keep using it.
  - rahkiin 8mo ago
    Oh come on. That pays for more than 10 fte in some countries
    - co_king_3 8mo ago
      I made this joke with "$1,500-$2000 per month" last night and everyone thought I was serious
      - nine_k 8mo ago
        I know people who burned several hundreds a day and still were finding it worth it.
        co_king_3 8mo ago
        Were they actually making money though? A lot of the people on the forefront of this AI stuff seem like cult leaders and crackheads to me.
        sanswork 8mo ago
        I'd pay up to $1000 pretty easily just based off the time it saves me personally from a lot of grindy type work which frees me up for more high value stuff. It's not 10x by any means but it doesn't need to be at most dev salaries to pay for itself. 1.5x alone is probably enough of an improvement for most >jr developers for a company to justify $1000/month. I suppose if your area of responsibility wasn't very broad the value would decrease pretty quickly so maybe less value for people at very large companies?
Kiboneu 8mo ago
If they cared about that, they wouldn't expose the thinking blocks to the end-user client in the first place; they'd have the user-side context store hashes to the blocks (stored server-side) instead.
resiros 8mo ago
Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.
- kakugawa 8mo ago
  How much longer is Anthropic going to allow OpenCode to use Pro/Max subscriptions? Yes, it's technically possible, but it's against Anthropic's ToS. [1] 1: https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-without-knowing-it-228fcecc168c https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-...
  - exitb 8mo ago
    Consider switching to an OpenAI subscription, which allows OpenCode use.
    - Aeolun 8mo ago
      Yeah. OpenAI allows any client, and only one single fixed system prompt. All their control is on the backend, which is worse than Claude.
  - azinman2 8mo ago
    Doesn’t Claude code have an agents sdk that officially allows you to use the good parts?
    - killingtime74 8mo ago
      Yes but you can't use a subscription with that
  - almosthere 8mo ago
    There are also Azure versions of Opus
- prmph 8mo ago
  Nope, OpenCode is nowhere near Claude Code. It's amazing how much other agentic tools suck in comparison to Claude Code. I'd love to have a proper alternative. But they all suck. I keep trying them every few months and keep running back to Claude Code. Just yesterday I installed Cursor and Codex, and removed both after a few hours. Cursor disrespected my setting to ask before editing files. Codex renamed my tabs after I had named them. It also went ahead and edited a bunch of my files after a fresh install without asking me. The heck, the default behavior should have been to seek permission at least the first time. OpenCode does not allow me to scrollback and edit a prior prompt for reuse. It also keeps throwing up all kinds of weird errors, especially when I'm trying to use free or lower cost models. Gemini CLI reads strange Python files when I'm working on a Node.js project, what the heck. It also never fixed the diff display issues in the terminal; It's always so difficult for me to actually see what edits it is actually trying to make before it makes it. It also frequently throws random internal errors. At this point, I'm not sure we'll be seeing a proper competitor to Claude Code anytime soon.
raincole 8mo ago
> to end users To other actors who want to train a distilled version of Claude, more likely.
TIPSIO 8mo ago
To be fair they have like 10,000 open issues / spam issues, it's probably insane out there for them to filter all of it haha
- 0xbadcafebee 8mo ago
  GitHub Issues as a customer support funnel is horrible. It's easy for them, but it hides all the important bugs and only surfaces "wanted features" that are thumbs-up'd alot. So you see "Highlight text X" as the top requested feature; meanwhile, 10% of users experience a critical bug, but they don't all find "the github issue" one user poorly wrote about it, so it has like 7 upvotes. GitHub Codespaces has a critical bug that makes the copilot terminal integration unusable after 1 prompt, but the company has no idea, because there is no clear way to report it from the product, no customer support funnel, etc. There's 10 upvotes on a poorly-written sorta-related GH issue and no company response. People are paying for this feature and it's just broken.
- rrrix1 8mo ago
  Humans don't look at these anymore, Claude itself does. They've even said so.
- sumedh 8mo ago
  Maybe they can use AI to figure out which ones are actually useful and which ones are not.
bonoboTP 8mo ago
I think it's more classic enshittification. Currently, as a percentage, still not many devs use it. In a few months or 1-2 years all these products will start to cater to the median developer and start to get dumbed down.
bob1029 8mo ago
> It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users Meanwhile, I am observing precisely how VS+Copilot works in my OAI logs with zero friction. Plug in your own API key and you can MITM everything via the provider's logging features.
- esperent 8mo ago
  > Plug in your own API key I checked with ccusage (a cli tool that checks how much your Claude subscription tokens would have cost via the API). My $200 a month subscription would have cost me more than $3000. The highest single day would have cost more than $300. Gemini is cheaper, but not by much.
tmaly 8mo ago
I thought the source code for the actual CLI was closed source. How are you patching it?
- Aeolun 8mo ago
  Claude code can reverse engineer it to a degree. Doing it for more than a single version is a PITA though. Easier to build you own client over their SDK.
dcre 8mo ago
More likely 99.9% of users never press ctrl+o to see the thinking, so they don't consider it important enough to make a setting out of.
egamirorrim 8mo ago
I don't suppose you could share a little on that patching process?
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]

ukuina 8mo ago

Patching's not long for this world; Claude Code has moved to binary releases. Soon, the NPM release will just be a thin wrapper around the binary.

InvisGhost 8mo ago
Where there's a will, there's a way
shepherdjerred 8mo ago
the binary is just bun. I wrote this to inspect CC https://github.com/shepherdjerred/monorepo/tree/main/packages/bun-decompile https://github.com/shepherdjerred/monorepo/tree/main/package...
- yencabulator 8mo ago
  Kinda crazy to buy a Javascript engine company to obfuscate your React TUI.
  - shepherdjerred 8mo ago
    I doubt that's why they bought it. It's not obfuscated; just minified.

nine_k 8mo ago

I just assume that they realized that they can split the offering, and to charge for the top tier more. (Yes, even more.) If Claude Code can replace an engineer, it should cost just a bit less than an engineer, not half as much.

co_king_3 8mo ago
I don't know about you, but I benefit so much from using Claude at work that I would gladly pay $80,000-$120,000 per year to keep using it.
- rahkiin 8mo ago
  Oh come on. That pays for more than 10 fte in some countries
  - co_king_3 8mo ago
    I made this joke with "$1,500-$2000 per month" last night and everyone thought I was serious
    - nine_k 8mo ago
      I know people who burned several hundreds a day and still were finding it worth it.
      - co_king_3 8mo ago
        Were they actually making money though? A lot of the people on the forefront of this AI stuff seem like cult leaders and crackheads to me.
        sanswork 8mo ago
        I'd pay up to $1000 pretty easily just based off the time it saves me personally from a lot of grindy type work which frees me up for more high value stuff. It's not 10x by any means but it doesn't need to be at most dev salaries to pay for itself. 1.5x alone is probably enough of an improvement for most >jr developers for a company to justify $1000/month. I suppose if your area of responsibility wasn't very broad the value would decrease pretty quickly so maybe less value for people at very large companies?

Kiboneu 8mo ago

If they cared about that, they wouldn't expose the thinking blocks to the end-user client in the first place; they'd have the user-side context store hashes to the blocks (stored server-side) instead.

resiros 8mo ago

Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

kakugawa 8mo ago
How much longer is Anthropic going to allow OpenCode to use Pro/Max subscriptions? Yes, it's technically possible, but it's against Anthropic's ToS. [1] 1: https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-without-knowing-it-228fcecc168c https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-...
- exitb 8mo ago
  Consider switching to an OpenAI subscription, which allows OpenCode use.
  - Aeolun 8mo ago
    Yeah. OpenAI allows any client, and only one single fixed system prompt. All their control is on the backend, which is worse than Claude.
- azinman2 8mo ago
  Doesn’t Claude code have an agents sdk that officially allows you to use the good parts?
  - killingtime74 8mo ago
    Yes but you can't use a subscription with that
- almosthere 8mo ago
  There are also Azure versions of Opus
prmph 8mo ago
Nope, OpenCode is nowhere near Claude Code. It's amazing how much other agentic tools suck in comparison to Claude Code. I'd love to have a proper alternative. But they all suck. I keep trying them every few months and keep running back to Claude Code. Just yesterday I installed Cursor and Codex, and removed both after a few hours. Cursor disrespected my setting to ask before editing files. Codex renamed my tabs after I had named them. It also went ahead and edited a bunch of my files after a fresh install without asking me. The heck, the default behavior should have been to seek permission at least the first time. OpenCode does not allow me to scrollback and edit a prior prompt for reuse. It also keeps throwing up all kinds of weird errors, especially when I'm trying to use free or lower cost models. Gemini CLI reads strange Python files when I'm working on a Node.js project, what the heck. It also never fixed the diff display issues in the terminal; It's always so difficult for me to actually see what edits it is actually trying to make before it makes it. It also frequently throws random internal errors. At this point, I'm not sure we'll be seeing a proper competitor to Claude Code anytime soon.

raincole 8mo ago

> to end users To other actors who want to train a distilled version of Claude, more likely.

TIPSIO 8mo ago

To be fair they have like 10,000 open issues / spam issues, it's probably insane out there for them to filter all of it haha

0xbadcafebee 8mo ago
GitHub Issues as a customer support funnel is horrible. It's easy for them, but it hides all the important bugs and only surfaces "wanted features" that are thumbs-up'd alot. So you see "Highlight text X" as the top requested feature; meanwhile, 10% of users experience a critical bug, but they don't all find "the github issue" one user poorly wrote about it, so it has like 7 upvotes. GitHub Codespaces has a critical bug that makes the copilot terminal integration unusable after 1 prompt, but the company has no idea, because there is no clear way to report it from the product, no customer support funnel, etc. There's 10 upvotes on a poorly-written sorta-related GH issue and no company response. People are paying for this feature and it's just broken.
rrrix1 8mo ago
Humans don't look at these anymore, Claude itself does. They've even said so.
sumedh 8mo ago
Maybe they can use AI to figure out which ones are actually useful and which ones are not.

bonoboTP 8mo ago

I think it's more classic enshittification. Currently, as a percentage, still not many devs use it. In a few months or 1-2 years all these products will start to cater to the median developer and start to get dumbed down.

bob1029 8mo ago

> It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users Meanwhile, I am observing precisely how VS+Copilot works in my OAI logs with zero friction. Plug in your own API key and you can MITM everything via the provider's logging features.

esperent 8mo ago
> Plug in your own API key I checked with ccusage (a cli tool that checks how much your Claude subscription tokens would have cost via the API). My $200 a month subscription would have cost me more than $3000. The highest single day would have cost more than $300. Gemini is cheaper, but not by much.

tmaly 8mo ago

I thought the source code for the actual CLI was closed source. How are you patching it?

Aeolun 8mo ago
Claude code can reverse engineer it to a degree. Doing it for more than a single version is a PITA though. Easier to build you own client over their SDK.

dcre 8mo ago

More likely 99.9% of users never press ctrl+o to see the thinking, so they don't consider it important enough to make a setting out of.

egamirorrim 8mo ago

I don't suppose you could share a little on that patching process?

deleted 8mo ago
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