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They are being exploited. They live in a lower cost-of-living country than where their services are rendered, and so neither demand nor receive the same wages a

They are being exploited. They live in a lower cost-of-living country than where their services are rendered, and so neither demand nor receive the same wages as someone in the USA. The contracting company profits - quite intentionally! - from labour arbitrage. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Outsourcing.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Outsourc...

OGEnthusiast 9mo ago
Yeah but ironically it's actually the workers in the US who are being exploited. The workers in the developing countries are largely beneficiaries since they get access to wages and a labor market far beyond their local region. (Obviously the companies still benefit the most.)
JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> They are being exploited. They live in a lower cost-of-living country So tech companies should be barred from hiring anyone outside the Bay Area? Because hiring someone in Texas or Arizona is necessarily exploitation?
- amiga386 9mo ago
  Hiring specifically in Texas or Arizona because you heard it's lower cost-of-living than the Bay Area, and not being willing to offer Bay Area salaries to people there... that's still exploitation. If you were instead hiring from anywhere (because you'd be happy with a remote worker, and they have the same employment rights) and willing to pay the same as you'd pay your Bay Area workers, i.e. it's about the hunt for talented/capable employees whereever they might be, rather than a hunt for cheap ones, that's no longer exploitation.
dekhn 9mo ago
Shouldn't pay be scaled to the locale? Note also the role here is fungible- Waymo could move to another location if they chose.
mediaman 9mo ago
People from the West always complain when people from the developing world are hired to do work for people in the west. They got angry about China, the Philippines, India, Kenya. Oddly, it’s never the people in those countries complaining that they got a better paying job! Only rich people who think, apparently, that this new middle class ought to be kicked back to the farm fields.
- hackable_sand 9mo ago
  They should be paid American wages
- amiga386 9mo ago
  The fact that other countries receive investment, which they welcome, doesn't mean they're not being exploited. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour#In_developing_nations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour#In_deve... The Western companies who employ or contract people in these other countries aren't altruistically investing. They're on the hunt for people who will accept lower wages, and for governments that won't insist on workers rights, health and safety.

OGEnthusiast 9mo ago

Yeah but ironically it's actually the workers in the US who are being exploited. The workers in the developing countries are largely beneficiaries since they get access to wages and a labor market far beyond their local region. (Obviously the companies still benefit the most.)

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> They are being exploited. They live in a lower cost-of-living country So tech companies should be barred from hiring anyone outside the Bay Area? Because hiring someone in Texas or Arizona is necessarily exploitation?

amiga386 9mo ago
Hiring specifically in Texas or Arizona because you heard it's lower cost-of-living than the Bay Area, and not being willing to offer Bay Area salaries to people there... that's still exploitation. If you were instead hiring from anywhere (because you'd be happy with a remote worker, and they have the same employment rights) and willing to pay the same as you'd pay your Bay Area workers, i.e. it's about the hunt for talented/capable employees whereever they might be, rather than a hunt for cheap ones, that's no longer exploitation.

dekhn 9mo ago

Shouldn't pay be scaled to the locale? Note also the role here is fungible- Waymo could move to another location if they chose.

mediaman 9mo ago

People from the West always complain when people from the developing world are hired to do work for people in the west. They got angry about China, the Philippines, India, Kenya. Oddly, it’s never the people in those countries complaining that they got a better paying job! Only rich people who think, apparently, that this new middle class ought to be kicked back to the farm fields.

hackable_sand 9mo ago
They should be paid American wages
amiga386 9mo ago
The fact that other countries receive investment, which they welcome, doesn't mean they're not being exploited. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour#In_developing_nations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour#In_deve... The Western companies who employ or contract people in these other countries aren't altruistically investing. They're on the hunt for people who will accept lower wages, and for governments that won't insist on workers rights, health and safety.