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> whether the singularity actually happens or not is irrelevant so much as whether enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly. I disagree. If the

> whether the singularity actually happens or not is irrelevant so much as whether enough people believe it will happen and act accordingly. I disagree. If the singularity doesn't happen, then what people do or don't believe matters a lot. If the singularity does happen, then it hardly matters what people do or don't believe (edit: about whether or not the singularity will happen).

cgannett 8mo ago
if people believe its a threat and it is also real then what matters is timing
- goatlover 8mo ago
  Which would also mean the accelerationists are potentially putting everyone at risk. I'd think a soft takeoff decades in the future would give us a much better chance of building the necessary safeguards and reorganizing society accordingly.
  - AndrewKemendo 8mo ago
    This is a soft takeoff We, the people actually building it, have been discussing it for decades I started reading Kurzweil in the early 90s If you’re not up to speed that’s your fault
    - goatlover 8mo ago
      Decades from now. Society is nowhere near ready for a singularity. The AI we have now, as far as it has come, is still a tool for humans to use. It's more Augmented Intelligence than AGI. A hard takeoff would be the tool bootstrapping itself into an autonomous self-improving ASI in a short amount of time. And I read Kurzweil years ago too. He thought reverse engineering the human brain once the hardware was powerful enough would together give us the singularity in 2045. And the Turing Test would have been passed by 2029, but seems like LLMs have already accomplished this.
      - AndrewKemendo 8mo ago
        20% of the human population still is not using the internet Imagine you’re 70 years old, in rural North Carolina, sitting on your porch wondering why your house has a sheet of ice on it that’s never happened before. Now your already weak soybean harvest that year yields only 30% Meanwhile your 30-year-old neighbor just had a productive soybean harvest because they covered their crops prior to the freeze based on using the Internet for weather forecasting That trivial variation between people who utilize information technology to improve their survivability has been happening for the last few hundred years unabated. This is what the soft singularity looks like
Negitivefrags 8mo ago
> If the singularity does happen, then it hardly matters what people do or don't believe. Depends on how you feel about Roko's basilisk.
- VonTum 8mo ago
  God Roko's Basilisk is the most boring AI risk to catch the public consciousness. It's just Pascal's wager all over again, with the exact same rebuttal.
  - camgunz 8mo ago
    The culture that brought you "speedrunning computer science with JavaScript" and "speedrunning exploitative, extractive capitalism" is back with their new banger "speedrunning philosophy". Nuke it from orbit; save humanity.
sigmoid10 8mo ago
Depends on what a post singularity world looks like, with Roko's basilisk and everything.
afthonos 8mo ago
I don’t think that’s quite right. I’d say instead that if the singularity does happen, there’s no telling which beliefs will have mattered.

cgannett 8mo ago

if people believe its a threat and it is also real then what matters is timing

goatlover 8mo ago
Which would also mean the accelerationists are potentially putting everyone at risk. I'd think a soft takeoff decades in the future would give us a much better chance of building the necessary safeguards and reorganizing society accordingly.
- AndrewKemendo 8mo ago
  This is a soft takeoff We, the people actually building it, have been discussing it for decades I started reading Kurzweil in the early 90s If you’re not up to speed that’s your fault
  - goatlover 8mo ago
    Decades from now. Society is nowhere near ready for a singularity. The AI we have now, as far as it has come, is still a tool for humans to use. It's more Augmented Intelligence than AGI. A hard takeoff would be the tool bootstrapping itself into an autonomous self-improving ASI in a short amount of time. And I read Kurzweil years ago too. He thought reverse engineering the human brain once the hardware was powerful enough would together give us the singularity in 2045. And the Turing Test would have been passed by 2029, but seems like LLMs have already accomplished this.
    - AndrewKemendo 8mo ago
      20% of the human population still is not using the internet Imagine you’re 70 years old, in rural North Carolina, sitting on your porch wondering why your house has a sheet of ice on it that’s never happened before. Now your already weak soybean harvest that year yields only 30% Meanwhile your 30-year-old neighbor just had a productive soybean harvest because they covered their crops prior to the freeze based on using the Internet for weather forecasting That trivial variation between people who utilize information technology to improve their survivability has been happening for the last few hundred years unabated. This is what the soft singularity looks like

Negitivefrags 8mo ago

> If the singularity does happen, then it hardly matters what people do or don't believe. Depends on how you feel about Roko's basilisk.

VonTum 8mo ago
God Roko's Basilisk is the most boring AI risk to catch the public consciousness. It's just Pascal's wager all over again, with the exact same rebuttal.
- camgunz 8mo ago
  The culture that brought you "speedrunning computer science with JavaScript" and "speedrunning exploitative, extractive capitalism" is back with their new banger "speedrunning philosophy". Nuke it from orbit; save humanity.

sigmoid10 8mo ago

Depends on what a post singularity world looks like, with Roko's basilisk and everything.

afthonos 8mo ago

I don’t think that’s quite right. I’d say instead that if the singularity does happen, there’s no telling which beliefs will have mattered.