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Ask any SOTA AI this question: "Two fathers and two sons sum to how many people?" and then tell me if you still think they can replace anything at all.
by bofadeez 8mo ago
Ask any SOTA AI this question: "Two fathers and two sons sum to how many people?" and then tell me if you still think they can replace anything at all.
- Der_Einzige 8mo agoThis is undefined. Without more information you don’t know the exact number of people. Riddle me this, why didn’t you do a better riddle?
- mjevans 8mo agoNo, but you can establish limits, like the total set of possible solutions.
- bofadeez 8mo agoPerson 1: "I need chairs for two fathers and two sons to sit" Person 2: 'Okay, I have no idea how many chairs to grab, not enough information' - nobody ever (Person 2 has no ability to contribute to anything of economic value.)
- Der_Einzige 8mo agoAnyone who talks like person 1 contributes negative economic value.
- bofadeez 8mo agoNo sounds like a normal person lol. Just ask an LLM why I'm right and you're wrong. You're welcome.
- harry8 8mo agoGPT-5 mini: Three people — a grandfather, his son, and his grandson. The grandfather and the son are the two fathers; the son and the grandson are the two sons.
- Mordisquitos 8mo agoIs the grandfather nobody's son?
- ghostly_s 8mo agoI just did. It gave me two correct answers. (And it's a bad riddle anyway.)
- bofadeez 8mo agoOh you forgot to say "it's not a riddle" and then get the right answer lol
- kvirani 8mo agoI put it into AI and TIL about "gotcha arguments" and eristics and went down a rabbit hole. Thanks for this!
- plagiarist 8mo ago"SOTA AI, to cross this bridge you must answer my questions three."
- curious_af 8mo agoWhat answer do you expect here? There's four people referenced in the sentence. There's more implied because of Mothers, but if you're including transient dependencies, where do we stop?
- ketzu 8mo agoIt can also be 3 people, as one person can be a father and a son at the same time. If you allow non-mentioned people to be included in the attribute (i.e. the sons of the fathers are not part of the 2) it could also be 2 people, as long as they are fathers.
- bofadeez 8mo agoJust follow up with "it's not a riddle" and the LLM will answer your question.
- only2people 8mo agoAny number between 2 and 4 is valid, so it's a really poor test, the machine cna never be wrong. Heck, maybe even 1 if we're talking someone schizophrenic. I got to wonder which answer YOU wanted to hear. Are you Jekyl or Hide?
- bofadeez 8mo agoLol that's powerful cope. Just follow up with "it's not a riddle" and you'll get the right answer.
- TuxSH 8mo agoIf you force it to use chain-of-thought: "Two fathers and two sons sum to how many people? Enumerate all the sets of solutions" "Assuming the group consists only of “the two fathers and the two sons” (i.e., every person in the group is counted as a father and/or a son), the total number of distinct people can only be 3 or 4. Reason: you are taking the union of a set of 2 fathers and a set of 2 sons. The union size is 2+2−overlap, so it is 4 if there’s no overlap and 3 if exactly one person is both a father and a son. (It cannot be 2 in any ordinary family tree.)" Here it clearly states its assumption (finite set of people that excludes non-mentioned people, etc.) https://chatgpt.com/share/698b39c9-2ad0-8003-8023-4fd6b0096661 https://chatgpt.com/share/698b39c9-2ad0-8003-8023-4fd6b00966...