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I'd like to know whether there's any objective way to measure how truth-seeking journalism actually is. Otherwise it just turns into people declaring, purely su

I'd like to know whether there's any objective way to measure how truth-seeking journalism actually is. Otherwise it just turns into people declaring, purely subjectively, that one outlet is "biased" and another is "impartial" or "truth-seeking". Ultimately, every editorial decision — what to publish, which story to highlight, what angle to frame it from — is a value judgment. And value judgments aren't matters of objective truth.

trinsic2 8mo ago
From my point of view journalism is or was about calling attention to points of reference that we can all agree that we are affected by in a similar way. The way you are framing this is more about agreeing with each other. IMHO that's not what journalism is about.
- ETH_start 8mo ago
  I don't quite follow. You're saying journalism is supposed to only cover things in which there's unanimous consent?
  - trinsic2 8mo ago
    No consent has nothing to do with events that affect people and society. Not sure where the confusion is.
    - ETH_start 8mo ago
      I didn't follow your original statement. Could you rephrase it?
throw0101c 8mo ago
> I'd like to know whether there's any objective way to measure how truth-seeking journalism actually is. Apparantly: * https://archive.is/https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5 https://archive.is/https://www.businessinsider.com/study-wat... * https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fox-news-study-comparing-fox-cnn-highlights-cable-tvs-harm-rcna23620 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fox-news-study-compari... * https://washingtonmonthly.com/2011/06/19/the-most-consistently-misinformed-media-viewers/ https://washingtonmonthly.com/2011/06/19/the-most-consistent... * https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/knowless/final.pdf https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/knowless/final.pdf * https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/confirmed/final.pdf https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/confirmed/final.pdf * https://www.fdu.edu/academics/centers-institutes/fdu-poll/ https://www.fdu.edu/academics/centers-institutes/fdu-poll/ A simple example: who won the 2020 election? What did each organization say?
- ETH_start 8mo ago
  This is a correlation, so it doesn't prove a causative association, and it's only across a very tiny subset of the entire knowledge set. While I understand that my second point might sound like a cop-out, just consider how the survey findings may have been different, if the respondents had been asked about issues more relevant to social justice narratives, e.g. the prevalence of deadly police shootings of unarmed people of color. Actual annual figure in recent years: roughly 10 depending on dataset and year. Median estimates among progressive respondents in several surveys: hundreds or even thousands. Another example: Surveys show large fractions of progressive populations believe global poverty has worsened, when the long-term trend has been a substantial decline

trinsic2 8mo ago

From my point of view journalism is or was about calling attention to points of reference that we can all agree that we are affected by in a similar way. The way you are framing this is more about agreeing with each other. IMHO that's not what journalism is about.

ETH_start 8mo ago
I don't quite follow. You're saying journalism is supposed to only cover things in which there's unanimous consent?
- trinsic2 8mo ago
  No consent has nothing to do with events that affect people and society. Not sure where the confusion is.
  - ETH_start 8mo ago
    I didn't follow your original statement. Could you rephrase it?

throw0101c 8mo ago

> I'd like to know whether there's any objective way to measure how truth-seeking journalism actually is. Apparantly: * https://archive.is/https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5 https://archive.is/https://www.businessinsider.com/study-wat... * https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fox-news-study-comparing-fox-cnn-highlights-cable-tvs-harm-rcna23620 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fox-news-study-compari... * https://washingtonmonthly.com/2011/06/19/the-most-consistently-misinformed-media-viewers/ https://washingtonmonthly.com/2011/06/19/the-most-consistent... * https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/knowless/final.pdf https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/knowless/final.pdf * https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/confirmed/final.pdf https://portal.fdu.edu/fdupoll-archive/confirmed/final.pdf * https://www.fdu.edu/academics/centers-institutes/fdu-poll/ https://www.fdu.edu/academics/centers-institutes/fdu-poll/ A simple example: who won the 2020 election? What did each organization say?

ETH_start 8mo ago
This is a correlation, so it doesn't prove a causative association, and it's only across a very tiny subset of the entire knowledge set. While I understand that my second point might sound like a cop-out, just consider how the survey findings may have been different, if the respondents had been asked about issues more relevant to social justice narratives, e.g. the prevalence of deadly police shootings of unarmed people of color. Actual annual figure in recent years: roughly 10 depending on dataset and year. Median estimates among progressive respondents in several surveys: hundreds or even thousands. Another example: Surveys show large fractions of progressive populations believe global poverty has worsened, when the long-term trend has been a substantial decline