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> I only scan the headlines Have you scanned any headlines about ICE lately? Maybe do a quick search for news about Minnesota? (I'm pretty sure that if you'd

> I only scan the headlines Have you scanned any headlines about ICE lately? Maybe do a quick search for news about Minnesota? (I'm pretty sure that if you'd been putting your pants on in Minnesota, you would not have written this comment.)

assimpleaspossi 8mo ago
Are you saying legal US citizens are having a tough time in Minnesota with ICE? My cousins and their families aren't. They're too busy leading their own normal, daily lives.
- estearum 8mo ago
  Yes, two of them were just killed. Does that qualify as "having a tough time?"
  - assimpleaspossi 8mo ago
    And how many people live in Minnesota? What were they doing when they were killed?
    - estearum 8mo ago
      I don't get your point. What proportion of residents does an event need to negatively impact for you to believe that it's hassling people? Surely it can't be 100%, right? No event in any major city, even horrific events, actually affect everyone.
      - assimpleaspossi 8mo ago
        How many illegal aliens were killed in Minnesota?
        estearum 8mo ago
        Huh? Did you respond to the wrong comment?
        bleepblap 8mo ago
        What's the ratio of citizens to non-citizens that's okay? One citizen per every hundred or are you thinking 10-1?
        pb7 8mo ago
        Have you considered they could maybe just stop interfering with federal law enforcement and let them do their jobs as they have been doing for decades under all sorts of administrations? You'll be hard pressed to find a tear shed for agitators protecting illegal immigrant criminals with deportation orders.
        estearum 8mo ago
        Neither you nor anyone else believes this is how immigration enforcement has been done "for decades under all sorts of administrations." You can make it appear as if you have a better grasp on reality by just acknowledging that this is a much different enforcement mechanism than we've seen in the past, but you think that's okay. Anyway there are now several known cases of people being detained or deported without deportation orders. This is another point that you could at least give the appearance of honesty and grasp on reality by acknowledging.
        account42 8mo ago
        You're right that immigration enforcement in the past did not have to deal with mobs trying to interfere with that enforcement.
        estearum 8mo ago
        DHS's own data proves that current enforcement priorities have changed. So what's more probable in your mind? ( Hypothesis A ) -- Mobs trying to interfere with law enforcement has caused DHS to focus on arresting and deporting immigrants without criminal background ( Hypothesis B ) -- DHS's focus on arresting and deporting immigrants without criminal background has required significant scale-up of personnel with minimal training (validated by DHS's own data) and required tactics that a large number of Americans believe to strike an unacceptable cost-benefit balance ( Hypothesis C ) -- The two facts (enforcement approach and public response) are not causally related to each other at all
    - bleepblap 8mo ago
      You keep moving the goalposts that much and maybe the patriots can win the Super Bowl.
    - sfink 8mo ago
      > What were they doing when they were killed? One was returning from dropping off her 6 year old child at school. The other was videotaping ICE activity with one hand while holding out the other hand to show he was no was no threat. What is your point, exactly? Neither was doing anything illegal, neither was directly trying to interfere with ICE actions. (The first wasn't trying to interfere at all.) Although normally I'd say wait for the full evidence to be revealed, in this case (1) there's already a wealth of evidence from bystanders, and (2) the investigations are actively being interfered with so official evidence is not forthcoming. Those are the 2 citizens killed. CBP and ICE killed at least 25 other people in the field and at least 30 died in custody (one source cites 30-32, another 44). Apparently, the violence is necessary to deport at (checks notes) a lower rate than Biden's. It might make sense if the current enforcement was aimed at serious criminals, but only the rhetoric is. The current enforcement is much less selective. More damage, less gain.
      - estearum 8mo ago
        A corollary I don't see mentioned enough by the morons who believe there are roving hordes of violent illegal criminals: Let's assume there was. Then what on earth is the administration doing tracking down and putting cuffs on so many people who do not fit in that category? Every seat in a detention center, courtroom, or plane filled by a random guy stopped in the Home Depot parking lot is a seat taken away from one of these allegedly numerous violent rapist/murders/whatever. So even if you were stupid enough to believe all the transparent bullshit from this gang of liars, they'd still be fucking awful! All this stuff does, in addition to squelching public appetite for immigration enforcement writ large, is keeps the actual bad guys inside the country even longer!
  - Hasnep 8mo ago
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    - pb7 8mo ago
      There has been no such thing.
      - wredcoll 8mo ago
        Just curiously, what do you personally get out of lying constantly in this thread?
        deaux 8mo ago
        Dopamine.
        account42 8mo ago
        It's not a lie to point out the truth. Words have meaning and wantonly applying the most scariest sounding words you can find does not help your cause.
- malnourish 8mo ago
  Yes; my neighbors had trouble going to the grocery store. From appearances, you might think they're on vacation from Mexico. They have been here for generations, and one of their family is a high enough ranking member of the military that I won't say more to avoid the risk of doxxing them.

assimpleaspossi 8mo ago

Are you saying legal US citizens are having a tough time in Minnesota with ICE? My cousins and their families aren't. They're too busy leading their own normal, daily lives.

estearum 8mo ago
Yes, two of them were just killed. Does that qualify as "having a tough time?"
- assimpleaspossi 8mo ago
  And how many people live in Minnesota? What were they doing when they were killed?
  - estearum 8mo ago
    I don't get your point. What proportion of residents does an event need to negatively impact for you to believe that it's hassling people? Surely it can't be 100%, right? No event in any major city, even horrific events, actually affect everyone.
    - assimpleaspossi 8mo ago
      How many illegal aliens were killed in Minnesota?
      - estearum 8mo ago
        Huh? Did you respond to the wrong comment?
      - bleepblap 8mo ago
        What's the ratio of citizens to non-citizens that's okay? One citizen per every hundred or are you thinking 10-1?
        pb7 8mo ago
        Have you considered they could maybe just stop interfering with federal law enforcement and let them do their jobs as they have been doing for decades under all sorts of administrations? You'll be hard pressed to find a tear shed for agitators protecting illegal immigrant criminals with deportation orders.
        estearum 8mo ago
        Neither you nor anyone else believes this is how immigration enforcement has been done "for decades under all sorts of administrations." You can make it appear as if you have a better grasp on reality by just acknowledging that this is a much different enforcement mechanism than we've seen in the past, but you think that's okay. Anyway there are now several known cases of people being detained or deported without deportation orders. This is another point that you could at least give the appearance of honesty and grasp on reality by acknowledging.
        account42 8mo ago
        You're right that immigration enforcement in the past did not have to deal with mobs trying to interfere with that enforcement.
        estearum 8mo ago
        DHS's own data proves that current enforcement priorities have changed. So what's more probable in your mind? ( Hypothesis A ) -- Mobs trying to interfere with law enforcement has caused DHS to focus on arresting and deporting immigrants without criminal background ( Hypothesis B ) -- DHS's focus on arresting and deporting immigrants without criminal background has required significant scale-up of personnel with minimal training (validated by DHS's own data) and required tactics that a large number of Americans believe to strike an unacceptable cost-benefit balance ( Hypothesis C ) -- The two facts (enforcement approach and public response) are not causally related to each other at all
  - bleepblap 8mo ago
    You keep moving the goalposts that much and maybe the patriots can win the Super Bowl.
  - sfink 8mo ago
    > What were they doing when they were killed? One was returning from dropping off her 6 year old child at school. The other was videotaping ICE activity with one hand while holding out the other hand to show he was no was no threat. What is your point, exactly? Neither was doing anything illegal, neither was directly trying to interfere with ICE actions. (The first wasn't trying to interfere at all.) Although normally I'd say wait for the full evidence to be revealed, in this case (1) there's already a wealth of evidence from bystanders, and (2) the investigations are actively being interfered with so official evidence is not forthcoming. Those are the 2 citizens killed. CBP and ICE killed at least 25 other people in the field and at least 30 died in custody (one source cites 30-32, another 44). Apparently, the violence is necessary to deport at (checks notes) a lower rate than Biden's. It might make sense if the current enforcement was aimed at serious criminals, but only the rhetoric is. The current enforcement is much less selective. More damage, less gain.
    - estearum 8mo ago
      A corollary I don't see mentioned enough by the morons who believe there are roving hordes of violent illegal criminals: Let's assume there was. Then what on earth is the administration doing tracking down and putting cuffs on so many people who do not fit in that category? Every seat in a detention center, courtroom, or plane filled by a random guy stopped in the Home Depot parking lot is a seat taken away from one of these allegedly numerous violent rapist/murders/whatever. So even if you were stupid enough to believe all the transparent bullshit from this gang of liars, they'd still be fucking awful! All this stuff does, in addition to squelching public appetite for immigration enforcement writ large, is keeps the actual bad guys inside the country even longer!
- Hasnep 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - pb7 8mo ago
    There has been no such thing.
    - wredcoll 8mo ago
      Just curiously, what do you personally get out of lying constantly in this thread?
      - deaux 8mo ago
        Dopamine.
      - account42 8mo ago
        It's not a lie to point out the truth. Words have meaning and wantonly applying the most scariest sounding words you can find does not help your cause.
malnourish 8mo ago
Yes; my neighbors had trouble going to the grocery store. From appearances, you might think they're on vacation from Mexico. They have been here for generations, and one of their family is a high enough ranking member of the military that I won't say more to avoid the risk of doxxing them.