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Ignoring the implications of this for the moment, let me broach a related (and arguably more important) question: what do you do when you have multiple communit
by bovermyer 8mo ago
Ignoring the implications of this for the moment, let me broach a related (and arguably more important) question: what do you do when you have multiple communities you interact with only on one platform, and suddenly that platform becomes intolerable for a subset of your community?
- noosphr 8mo agoShake your head and move on. It's not like we haven't seen closed source applications become hostile to their users before. And it's not like we didn't warn people about it.
- AnthonyMouse 8mo agoIt seems like the answer is pretty obvious. That subset of the community stops using it and uses something else, and the others either follow them or don't. You, if you're not in the first group, can continue to use both to communicate with everyone, but some of them lose the ability to communicate with each other. The ideal outcome is for everyone to stop using the intolerable thing and switch to a tolerable thing. That's even what often happens over time, but not always immediately. Probably do anything you can to make it happen faster.
- altruios 8mo agoWe start a new app. Opensource Discord, Self-hosted, federated. Serving that subsection that cares about privacy and security. Discord is a good design, and should be replicated rapidly with mutations from competitors galore.
- debo_ 8mo agoRevolt/stoat has existed for quite a while: https://itsfoss.com/revolt/ https://itsfoss.com/revolt/
- ThePowerOfFuet 8mo agohttps://stoat.chat/ https://stoat.chat/
- TechniKris 8mo ago> Opensource Discord, Self-hosted, federated Sounds like you want https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/ > Discord is a good design Then the main, reference client https://element.io/ https://element.io/ or https://fluffy.chat https://fluffy.chat would work great for you. ... With the only caveat being that general experience of using Matrix is awful. I second the other commenter's suggestion of using https://stoat.chat/ https://stoat.chat/ or as it used to be called: Revolt, which matches the "Opensource Discord" requirement perfectly.
- sneak 8mo agoMatrix is slow, buggy trash with bad clients. (Incidentally, this is also the incantation that will cause its primary maintainer to show up in the comment thread and tell me that I’m not using their seemingly annual complete new client rewrite that fixes all of the problems and makes it perfect now.)
- enforcer0912 8mo ago[dead]
- subscribed 8mo agoBad clients issue stemming from the bad design. Soatok covered it very well here: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/ https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-ol... I'm quite sure most of these issues were fixed by now, but the fundamental issues remain, at least in this federation.
- tcfhgj 8mo agoWhat fundamental issues
- johnnyanmac 8mo agoPretty much why centralized billionaires will always win. It takes a lot of resources (in terms of hardware and engineering) to make things at scale and smooth. The rich abuse this, the not rich can't afford to be principled.
- GorbachevyChase 8mo agoMumble already exists. IRC exists. Matrix exists. Discord is a surveillance tool by design. Jason Citron pulled the same hijinx with Aurora Feint, but I assume he has been betraying users to CIA-and-Friends from the start so he gets a pass for breaking the same laws. Nobody scales free, high-bandwidth services without some dark money support from feds or worse.
- devsda 8mo agoIt is the same as what everyone did after the reddit fiasco i.e. protest, boycott, grudgingly use it while complaining and then finally accept the change. May be this discord episode will have better outcome for the masses.
- esseph 8mo agoThat's not what happened with the X nonsense, a lot of people went to mastadon/bluesky.
- Telaneo 8mo agoReddit dropped a lot in quality after that. I suspect a lot of people stopped posting, even if they did continue using it in some capacity.
- ZeWaka 8mo agoI uninstalled it from my phone entirely. Definitely helped curb my usage.
- mr_woozy 8mo ago[dead]
- kombookcha 8mo agoThat was certainly my experience. I got rid of the app and only used reddit in browser mode to read without participating. The noticeable quality drop after the migration, as well as all the artificial hurdles they put up to force you back on the app eventually made me stop using it entirely.
- gbear605 8mo agoFor me, I just stopped using Reddit. Turns out that I’m happier without it.
- JoeBOFH 8mo agoHah I did the same thing. I only ever interact with it now when it appears in search results.
- quotemstr 8mo agoOne of the starkest social desirability biases in tech is between federated and centralized platforms. Most people, in public, say they support distributed, federated systems, but when push comes to shove, they all use centralized platforms anyway.
- volf_ 8mo agoatproto is a really good attempt at solving this issue
- bakugo 8mo agoIf this happened 15+ years ago, a huge chunk of the userbase likely would've migrated to alternatives, potentially resulting in Discord being replaced and falling into irrelevance. Today, though, no chance that happens. The current generation literally grew up with it, same for most of the other established social media apps. The concept of alternatives largely does not exist for them. And besides, they were probably already sending pictures of themselves and other personal data to each other through the app, so it's not like Discord doesn't already have all of that.
- ziml77 8mo agoThere's also people who have been through enough of these moves and community splits that they're incredibly tired of it all.
- johnnyanmac 8mo agoI'm always exhausted by a migration. But I don't move off because there's an easy alternative. There never is. I do it to maintain principles, even at the cost of my social circles.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 8mo agoI remember back in the days of instant messaging, there were clients which let you chat with people in a manner agnostic to the underlying IM provider. I used this one: https://adium.im/ https://adium.im/ Maybe we need similar omniclients for group chat platforms, with automated migration scripts etc. I think the ideal migration method would be to implement continuous archiving, so the platform can't block you from scraping your own chat archives.
- jackcviers3 8mo agoI mean, I grew up with AOL AIM, Yahoo Messenger, and IRC... yet I switched every time a new tech came out with more of my friends on it. Why do we think discord will be any more sticky than Digg or Slashdot, or any of the above? People will migrate, some will stay, and it will just be yet another noise machine they have to check in the list of snapchat, instagram, tiktok, reddit, twitter, twitch, discord, group texts, marco polo, tinder, hinge, roblox, minecraft servers, email, whatsapp and telegram, and slack/teams for work. Absolutely exhausting to be honest.
- andrepd 8mo agoPeople tried warning that moving all your discussion forums into a proprietary, closed, unsearchable platform was a bad idea. And it was. But nobody cared.
- pyrolistical 8mo agoSo you want to go back to mailing list and run your own email server?
- frumplestlatz 8mo agoNo, we’d like to go back to the culture that created protocols to solve our needs, such that people could create interoperable servers and clients to implement those protocols.
- andrepd 8mo agoEmail is an open protocol, perfectly suited for delivering messages between people. Discord is a closed application, unsearchable, any server or account may be nuked at discord's discretion, thus it's entirely unsuited to replace e.g. a forum. You do understand the difference?
- Jblx2 8mo agoMaybe time for a Usenet renaissance?
- reddalo 8mo agoIn a way, Usenet was a kind of ancient fediverse.
- int_19h 8mo agoI don't want to run my own Whatever server. I want Whatever to be designed in a way that allows me to go find a provider of Whatever that I'm comfortable with, to run my server for me, and for it to interoperate with Whatevers of other people regardless of which provider they are using. I also want it to be possible for me to take all my data - chat logs, membership etc - and move them to another provider of Whatever if my current provider enshittifies. And yes, I do want it to be possible to self-host, if it turns out that no remaining providers of Whatever meet the bar.
- 3acctforcom 8mo agoRemember when Tumbler banned porn? People migrated to other platforms like Reddit, and it died. Musk being a Nazi made twitter lose big enough chunks of their community to start Bluesky. Not big enough to do any real damage to the platform, but it still provided critical mass to a fledgling app. WhatsApp having a sketchy relationship with the US government boosted Signal. Sooooo, what is a good discord replacement?
- johnnyanmac 8mo agoIts hard to say. Reddit is still a shit show, but I still peer into niche communities you won't find anywhere else on the internet. Discord is even more niche than that. There's tons of IRC esque group chats of that's what you need. But a community: not so easy to replace.
- rurp 8mo agoOh I think it definitely did damage, just not enough to kill such a massive platform overnight. Twitter has lost a significant amount of users while other social networks grew or held steady, and the cultural impact seems to have waned a lot. I've never been a regular user of Twitter, pre or post elon era, but a lot of people I follow in other ways used to be very active on there and discussions would often spill over into other venues. That still happens a bit, but much less than before.
- johnnyanmac 8mo agoTry to tell them it's a bad idea. And be ready to leave that community if nothing changes. That's pretty much the way of life for an internet vagrant. Maybe you hope the community migrates too. Maybe you try to remake the community. But those aren't in your control. I left Facebook, left Reddit (never really had a Twitter). This won't be different.
- alexashka 8mo agoMost everyone will go down the path of least resistance. A few outliers will try to resist, get old and/or tired. A few of the few will reach acceptance, comprehend the serenity prayer. A few of the few of the few will reach enlightenment. What you do depends on where you're at - statistically, you'll go down the path of least resistance which is totally, totally fine.