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Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose oth

Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?

pixl97 9mo ago
Getting Americans used to imprisoning every one they want.
rayiner 9mo ago
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- goatlover 9mo ago
  Australia's mandatory detention is controversial. I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. I don't see what harm an undocumented person causes by simply being in the country. Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Moving people around detention centers to hide them from lawyers and families, while too often ignoring court orders and due process is also extremely concerning. As are the poor conditions often reported in these detention facilities. The process should be humane and legal.
  - rayiner 9mo ago
    > I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. Because it turns the immigration system on its head. People come to the U.S., stay for years while court proceedings drag on, and in most cases the government eventually gives up. The U.S. issues 65,000 or so skilled worker visas annually, but over a million people enter illegally. At that point, why even bother having an immigration system? > Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system?
    - zzrrt 9mo ago
      > Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system? A person should be forgiven for thinking so, with government figures constantly invoking Laken Riley et al, and generally saying we’re being invaded by violent criminals and they’re going after “the worst of the worst.” Since the administration is catching up on 20-year-old violations, I look forward to — only for the sake of those skilled workers waiting in line, of course — to Elon Musk being denaturalized, deported, and exit-taxed for his admitted “gray area” period of his immigration journey.
      - rayiner 9mo ago
        Rhetoric aside, every developed country has an immigration system, and the function is the same everywhere. The principal function is to manage the cultural and economic impact of immigration by controlling total immigrant numbers and filtering for more desirable immigrants. Filtering out criminals is an extreme case of it, but that’s not the be-all-end-all of the immigration system.
- alsetmusic 9mo ago
  Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.
  - blell 9mo ago
    Immigrants are a problem created by wealthy people with the intention of dumping the cost of labour.
    - throwway120385 9mo ago
      You could control the price of labor far more directly by increasing the minimum wage instead of this system of cruelty people are building.
    - mindslight 9mo ago
      Exactly. And now that labor's bargaining power has been thoroughly smashed for good, the problem they've perpetuated and grown serves as a convenient excuse for the need for lawless terror gangs and concentration camps to keep disempowered and desperate people in their place. I'm frankly amazed at how people can look at the capital strike orchestrated with the AI narrative, protests being attacked by the aforementioned jackboots, the big tech authoritarians taking the gloves off, and a corrupt pay-to-play administration looting our country, and then conclude that any of this will somehow lead to everyday citizens being more enfranchised. Sure, immigration reform could have achieved this twenty years ago. But powerful business interests didn't let it happen then, so it behooves you to start questioning why they are outright championing it now!
      - alsetmusic 9mo ago
        > Sure, immigration reform could have achieved this twenty years ago. But powerful business interests didn't let it happen then, so it behooves you to start questioning why they are outright championing it now! That can't possibly be because championing a vindictive and corrupt admin is in their interests. No, it has to be nefarious forces working in the shadows. The corruption and lawlessness of this admin is right out in the open, but you know what? It's probably the Jews, right? /s Oh right, and racism.
- throwway120385 9mo ago
  There's no such thing as "coming to the US illegally" if you cross at a border checkpoint with a valid stamp or visa. There are only visa or stamp overstays, which is a civil matter. Your analogy to Australia is specious because the vast majority of people being rounded up and detained came here legally on a visa, and then stopped meeting the requirements of that visa. Australia's law is specific to people who bypassed our border checkpoints, since you would have needed a visa or a stamp to get through in the first place. It is a matter of your opinion whether court proceedings are "frivolous." We have a common law system here in the US which allows a judge some latitude in their decisionmaking, up to and including issuing a ruling contrary to established precedent when the precedent doesn't make any sense in the specific situation we're in. If we want to continue having trials, we have to allow even trials which we consider cut and dried so that the truth may be examined and an informed judgement rendered. This is the heart of our civilization and if you throw that away then you will see how brutal things can get without our system.
  - rayiner 9mo ago
    Australia's mandatory detention applies to people who enter on a visa and overstay their visa: https://humanrights.gov.au/resource-hub/by-resource-type/books/books-large-contents/6.-australias-immigration-detention-policy-and-practice https://humanrights.gov.au/resource-hub/by-resource-type/boo... "Australian law requires the detention of all non-citizens who are in Australia without a valid visa (unlawful non-citizens). This means that immigration officials have no choice but to detain persons who arrive without a visa (unauthorised arrivals), or persons who arrive with a visa and subsequently become unlawful because their visa has expired or been cancelled (authorised arrivals). Australian law makes no distinction between the detention of adults and children."
takklob 9mo ago
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ozozozd 9mo ago
An extremely charitable take. I commend you. It’s absolutely a scam intended to route our tax dollars to private prisons. The rest is theater. I bet the borders are still open to those who are motivated enough to cross.
- bakies 9mo ago
  Trump always brags about "Border Encounters" are 0 suspiciously quickly after he took office. I'm almost certain this is letting people in, while claiming it's secure. Win win.
stevenwoo 9mo ago
It's also a small step to just detain and deport anyone remotely eligible who criticizes those in power, criticizes those who support those in power, is a family member of one of the prior mentioned parties, or is not in the preferred range of skin tones for those in power. They already deported a few citizens, oops, that's just going to happen when they have deportation quotas to meet, and let that be a warning to the rest of the uppity citizens with the gumption to protest against them.

Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?

pixl97 9mo ago

Getting Americans used to imprisoning every one they want.

rayiner 9mo ago

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goatlover 9mo ago
Australia's mandatory detention is controversial. I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. I don't see what harm an undocumented person causes by simply being in the country. Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Moving people around detention centers to hide them from lawyers and families, while too often ignoring court orders and due process is also extremely concerning. As are the poor conditions often reported in these detention facilities. The process should be humane and legal.
- rayiner 9mo ago
  > I don't see why people need to be detained while they have ongoing court cases. Because it turns the immigration system on its head. People come to the U.S., stay for years while court proceedings drag on, and in most cases the government eventually gives up. The U.S. issues 65,000 or so skilled worker visas annually, but over a million people enter illegally. At that point, why even bother having an immigration system? > Most of them are not criminals, they're just here for better living conditions, work opportunities or family. Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system?
  - zzrrt 9mo ago
    > Do you think keeping out criminals is why we have an immigration system? A person should be forgiven for thinking so, with government figures constantly invoking Laken Riley et al, and generally saying we’re being invaded by violent criminals and they’re going after “the worst of the worst.” Since the administration is catching up on 20-year-old violations, I look forward to — only for the sake of those skilled workers waiting in line, of course — to Elon Musk being denaturalized, deported, and exit-taxed for his admitted “gray area” period of his immigration journey.
    - rayiner 9mo ago
      Rhetoric aside, every developed country has an immigration system, and the function is the same everywhere. The principal function is to manage the cultural and economic impact of immigration by controlling total immigrant numbers and filtering for more desirable immigrants. Filtering out criminals is an extreme case of it, but that’s not the be-all-end-all of the immigration system.
alsetmusic 9mo ago
Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.
- blell 9mo ago
  Immigrants are a problem created by wealthy people with the intention of dumping the cost of labour.
  - throwway120385 9mo ago
    You could control the price of labor far more directly by increasing the minimum wage instead of this system of cruelty people are building.
  - mindslight 9mo ago
    Exactly. And now that labor's bargaining power has been thoroughly smashed for good, the problem they've perpetuated and grown serves as a convenient excuse for the need for lawless terror gangs and concentration camps to keep disempowered and desperate people in their place. I'm frankly amazed at how people can look at the capital strike orchestrated with the AI narrative, protests being attacked by the aforementioned jackboots, the big tech authoritarians taking the gloves off, and a corrupt pay-to-play administration looting our country, and then conclude that any of this will somehow lead to everyday citizens being more enfranchised. Sure, immigration reform could have achieved this twenty years ago. But powerful business interests didn't let it happen then, so it behooves you to start questioning why they are outright championing it now!
    - alsetmusic 9mo ago
      > Sure, immigration reform could have achieved this twenty years ago. But powerful business interests didn't let it happen then, so it behooves you to start questioning why they are outright championing it now! That can't possibly be because championing a vindictive and corrupt admin is in their interests. No, it has to be nefarious forces working in the shadows. The corruption and lawlessness of this admin is right out in the open, but you know what? It's probably the Jews, right? /s Oh right, and racism.
throwway120385 9mo ago
There's no such thing as "coming to the US illegally" if you cross at a border checkpoint with a valid stamp or visa. There are only visa or stamp overstays, which is a civil matter. Your analogy to Australia is specious because the vast majority of people being rounded up and detained came here legally on a visa, and then stopped meeting the requirements of that visa. Australia's law is specific to people who bypassed our border checkpoints, since you would have needed a visa or a stamp to get through in the first place. It is a matter of your opinion whether court proceedings are "frivolous." We have a common law system here in the US which allows a judge some latitude in their decisionmaking, up to and including issuing a ruling contrary to established precedent when the precedent doesn't make any sense in the specific situation we're in. If we want to continue having trials, we have to allow even trials which we consider cut and dried so that the truth may be examined and an informed judgement rendered. This is the heart of our civilization and if you throw that away then you will see how brutal things can get without our system.
- rayiner 9mo ago
  Australia's mandatory detention applies to people who enter on a visa and overstay their visa: https://humanrights.gov.au/resource-hub/by-resource-type/books/books-large-contents/6.-australias-immigration-detention-policy-and-practice https://humanrights.gov.au/resource-hub/by-resource-type/boo... "Australian law requires the detention of all non-citizens who are in Australia without a valid visa (unlawful non-citizens). This means that immigration officials have no choice but to detain persons who arrive without a visa (unauthorised arrivals), or persons who arrive with a visa and subsequently become unlawful because their visa has expired or been cancelled (authorised arrivals). Australian law makes no distinction between the detention of adults and children."

takklob 9mo ago

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ozozozd 9mo ago

An extremely charitable take. I commend you. It’s absolutely a scam intended to route our tax dollars to private prisons. The rest is theater. I bet the borders are still open to those who are motivated enough to cross.

bakies 9mo ago
Trump always brags about "Border Encounters" are 0 suspiciously quickly after he took office. I'm almost certain this is letting people in, while claiming it's secure. Win win.

stevenwoo 9mo ago

It's also a small step to just detain and deport anyone remotely eligible who criticizes those in power, criticizes those who support those in power, is a family member of one of the prior mentioned parties, or is not in the preferred range of skin tones for those in power. They already deported a few citizens, oops, that's just going to happen when they have deportation quotas to meet, and let that be a warning to the rest of the uppity citizens with the gumption to protest against them.