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> The ID is immediately deleted. We do not keep any information around like your name, the city that you live in, if you used a birth certificate or something e

> The ID is immediately deleted. We do not keep any information around like your name, the city that you live in, if you used a birth certificate or something else, any of that information. This is also contradicted by what Discord actually says: > Quick deletion: Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation. What are the non-most cases?

rsynnott 9mo ago
Also, _Discord_ deleting them is really only half the battle; random vendors deleting them remains an issue.
- rockskon 9mo ago
  Not to mention collecting them at all means those servers are a primo location for state actors to stage themselves to make copies of data before being deleted. To say nothing of insider threats of which likely exist across every major social media platform in service to foreign govs.
  - nativeit 9mo ago
    It was this deep into the thread when I decided I don’t think I need internet service this bad, let alone Discord. I think I’m out. Let us know how it goes!
    - roysting 9mo ago
      All of these types of developments, of the trap door starting to close, really do totally depend on the addiction, the dependency that was created to make sure the people would be unable to withdraw themselves. We now have some generations of people who have only been online and in a fantasy world of games and “TV”. It seems the system has calculated that we have crossed the threshold after which the system is self-reinforcing and there is very little chance of effective resistance, let alone reversal.
      - alienbaby 9mo ago
        I think you may be attributing far too much malice of forethought to any them that may be conspiring to design the 'system'
        littlecorner 9mo ago
        Everyone thought that we were designing the system, but it's really been the system designing us. (Only half joking; the medium is the message, and changes us as much as we change it)
        singleshot_ 9mo ago
        malice aforethought
        onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
        [dead]
        roysting 9mo ago
        I’m not sure how to really get this point across, but you would be very incorrect believing that and I have first hand knowledge of that. Yes, it’s not a waterfall methodology/system like some Soviet central committee planned economy, but what else do you call things like the kill list board meetings of the Obama administration, if not malicious and with forethought? They had lists, they decided on who to murder, they broke to accomplish their weekly objectives and then they reported on their progress every week. And that’s just a tiny snowflake on top of the iceberg of what is available for anyone in the public all around the world to know, even without any kind of special access other than an open mind willing to accept reality that is not what one was told it is from childhood on. You know, when people are the most vulnerable and easily manipulated, the MO of the people like Epstein. Is not even that the information needed to understand these things are not all there in public agreed caps leaks and releases, it’s just that most people seem to just want to accept that 2+2=5 and in exchange live a life they believe is a good deal from the devil. You seem to represent one of those people who has no idea what you are a part of, similar to how an animal born into a zoo is quite content since all his needs are met. That animal cannot understand any bigger context, because all it’s ever known is that cage it’s always been in all your conscious existence. All the information you need is publicly available to you even without any clearances, on the internet (for the time being). What is your excuse for not knowing, e.g., that effectively all NGOs are a tool of the CIA? Or what else would you call the Obama kill list meetings where, just like how you may have weekly sprints, they picked from a backlog and then killed them and reported back on progress; if not malicious and with forethought? Reality simply is that the majority of people are like those peasant masses that applauded Obama at the Winter Olympics; the same malicious, deliberate murderer with forethought and with a kill list that we know he was. What are you?
  - TeMPOraL 9mo ago
    > Not to mention collecting them at all means those servers are a primo location for state actors to stage themselves to make copies of data before being deleted. Not to nitpick, but in this case they'd be collecting data they already own.
    - Libcat99 9mo ago
      The feds don't own state IDs in the US, at least.
    - diydsp 9mo ago
      1. Foreign state actors 2. Inter-hostile agencies within the u.s.
    - 1718627440 9mo ago
      In addition to the sibling comments, even if they do own the ID itself, they do not own the association with Discord users, and the ID might also be faked.
    - rockskon 9mo ago
      For state actors - they frequently have issues "connecting the dots". Or heck - maybe connecting the dots is easy but it's a manual process that introduces too much friction for them to do casually. Maybe some of the data they connect it with is not trustworthy. If the dots already come pre-connected, it makes the job easier. Not to mention its value as blackmail material shoots up because it comes pre-associated with your government ID and/or a scan of your face because fewer sources/methods need to be risked.
    - urza 9mo ago
      I am pretty sure US gov doesn't have my id.
- AlienRobot 9mo ago
  Weird that I have to get a list of all the cookie vendors that know I visit a website to show me an ad about something I already bought but the guys with my ID don't need to be listed.
  - Zanfa 9mo ago
    Under GDPR they need to be listed.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    GDPR isn't a cookie law — it's a PII law. They need to tell you all parties that get your ID picture, or they're in breach.
    - nemoniac 9mo ago
      GDPR is not a PII law. The term is not mentioned once in GDPR. GDPR speaks of "personal data", which as Wikipedia puts it "is significantly broader".
      - 1718627440 9mo ago
        Doesn't PII, mean personal information which is is another term for personal data?
        master-lincoln 9mo ago
        Personally Identifiable Information is about data that can identify you personally. Personal data might be something you don't want to share but is not necessarily identifying you
- blitzar 9mo ago
  "We delete them immediately after we have sold them to our 579 parters"
- jorvi 9mo ago
  Vendors like that would be in deep GDPR shit if they claim to not store highly sensitive data and then do in fact store highly sensitive data. Generally the GDPR is not rigorously enforced, but when it comes to sensitive data like face scans, IDs, medical data etc. the hammer comes down a lot swifter and harder.
  - miohtama 9mo ago
    GDPR does not stop a breach. Discord already lost user IDs. Will GDPR delete them from the darknet?
- fatnoah 9mo ago
  > Also, _Discord_ deleting them is really only half the battle; random vendors deleting them remains an issue. This really is the issue. Of the 5 or so data breach notifications I received last year, none are from an entity I have a direct relationship with. They're all from a vendor used directly or indirectly by these entities. The real answer is more serious penalties for having data breaches. Having 6 concurrent "identity monitoring" services is of zero value to me.
throw20251220 9mo ago
Since when the city one lives in is mentioned in the birth certificate?
- smcin 9mo ago
  It was only one example they gave, and they accept multiple different types of ID; a driver's license or national ID card being other likely ones, and DLs do say where you live.
  - kvdveer 9mo ago
    None of those documents reliably state my city of residence. At best they document where I once lived, but not even that is guaranteed.
    - malfist 9mo ago
      You are legally required to update those within 10 days of moving.
    - xnyan 9mo ago
      Not updating your DL after changing your address is a crime* in all US states. I'm not as familiar with law elsewhere, but would be surprised if that's not true most other places. *There are exceptions for active duty military personal and other limited exceptions.
      - tosti 9mo ago
        That's pathetic. It would mean you can't live anywhere without a street address, such as a camp site or a ship. You also can't be a nomad. So much for "land of the free".
        mcmcmc 9mo ago
        Unless you’re wild camping, campsites have addresses. So do marinas where a ship would need to be docked more or less regularly to establish residency. As for being a nomad, you don’t need a driver’s license or any kind of ID to wander if you’re willing to sleep rough. If you want to drive on public roadways though, you better have a primary address where the courts can send someone if you kill someone in a traffic accident and bail.
comboy 9mo ago
Well since you have these IDs, for national security (AML, criminals and whatnot), we will need you to keep them if our endpoint says so, here's the endpoint https://.gov/print?text=true
vee-kay 9mo ago
>"Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners".. Yeah, say goodbye to those the privacy and safety of those documents.
catify 9mo ago
How can we even confirm that they are actually deleting them. Trust me bro vibe
- menaerus 9mo ago
  Imagine the neural network you could train over such a large dataset of ID's so when you pay your bills or do the flight check-in you avoid the hassle of manually inputting the data yourself? Ah, yes, we have that already.

rsynnott 9mo ago

Also, _Discord_ deleting them is really only half the battle; random vendors deleting them remains an issue.

rockskon 9mo ago
Not to mention collecting them at all means those servers are a primo location for state actors to stage themselves to make copies of data before being deleted. To say nothing of insider threats of which likely exist across every major social media platform in service to foreign govs.
- nativeit 9mo ago
  It was this deep into the thread when I decided I don’t think I need internet service this bad, let alone Discord. I think I’m out. Let us know how it goes!
  - roysting 9mo ago
    All of these types of developments, of the trap door starting to close, really do totally depend on the addiction, the dependency that was created to make sure the people would be unable to withdraw themselves. We now have some generations of people who have only been online and in a fantasy world of games and “TV”. It seems the system has calculated that we have crossed the threshold after which the system is self-reinforcing and there is very little chance of effective resistance, let alone reversal.
    - alienbaby 9mo ago
      I think you may be attributing far too much malice of forethought to any them that may be conspiring to design the 'system'
      - littlecorner 9mo ago
        Everyone thought that we were designing the system, but it's really been the system designing us. (Only half joking; the medium is the message, and changes us as much as we change it)
      - singleshot_ 9mo ago
        malice aforethought
      - onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
        [dead]
      - roysting 9mo ago
        I’m not sure how to really get this point across, but you would be very incorrect believing that and I have first hand knowledge of that. Yes, it’s not a waterfall methodology/system like some Soviet central committee planned economy, but what else do you call things like the kill list board meetings of the Obama administration, if not malicious and with forethought? They had lists, they decided on who to murder, they broke to accomplish their weekly objectives and then they reported on their progress every week. And that’s just a tiny snowflake on top of the iceberg of what is available for anyone in the public all around the world to know, even without any kind of special access other than an open mind willing to accept reality that is not what one was told it is from childhood on. You know, when people are the most vulnerable and easily manipulated, the MO of the people like Epstein. Is not even that the information needed to understand these things are not all there in public agreed caps leaks and releases, it’s just that most people seem to just want to accept that 2+2=5 and in exchange live a life they believe is a good deal from the devil. You seem to represent one of those people who has no idea what you are a part of, similar to how an animal born into a zoo is quite content since all his needs are met. That animal cannot understand any bigger context, because all it’s ever known is that cage it’s always been in all your conscious existence. All the information you need is publicly available to you even without any clearances, on the internet (for the time being). What is your excuse for not knowing, e.g., that effectively all NGOs are a tool of the CIA? Or what else would you call the Obama kill list meetings where, just like how you may have weekly sprints, they picked from a backlog and then killed them and reported back on progress; if not malicious and with forethought? Reality simply is that the majority of people are like those peasant masses that applauded Obama at the Winter Olympics; the same malicious, deliberate murderer with forethought and with a kill list that we know he was. What are you?
- TeMPOraL 9mo ago
  > Not to mention collecting them at all means those servers are a primo location for state actors to stage themselves to make copies of data before being deleted. Not to nitpick, but in this case they'd be collecting data they already own.
  - Libcat99 9mo ago
    The feds don't own state IDs in the US, at least.
  - diydsp 9mo ago
    1. Foreign state actors 2. Inter-hostile agencies within the u.s.
  - 1718627440 9mo ago
    In addition to the sibling comments, even if they do own the ID itself, they do not own the association with Discord users, and the ID might also be faked.
  - rockskon 9mo ago
    For state actors - they frequently have issues "connecting the dots". Or heck - maybe connecting the dots is easy but it's a manual process that introduces too much friction for them to do casually. Maybe some of the data they connect it with is not trustworthy. If the dots already come pre-connected, it makes the job easier. Not to mention its value as blackmail material shoots up because it comes pre-associated with your government ID and/or a scan of your face because fewer sources/methods need to be risked.
  - urza 9mo ago
    I am pretty sure US gov doesn't have my id.
AlienRobot 9mo ago
Weird that I have to get a list of all the cookie vendors that know I visit a website to show me an ad about something I already bought but the guys with my ID don't need to be listed.
- Zanfa 9mo ago
  Under GDPR they need to be listed.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  GDPR isn't a cookie law — it's a PII law. They need to tell you all parties that get your ID picture, or they're in breach.
  - nemoniac 9mo ago
    GDPR is not a PII law. The term is not mentioned once in GDPR. GDPR speaks of "personal data", which as Wikipedia puts it "is significantly broader".
    - 1718627440 9mo ago
      Doesn't PII, mean personal information which is is another term for personal data?
      - master-lincoln 9mo ago
        Personally Identifiable Information is about data that can identify you personally. Personal data might be something you don't want to share but is not necessarily identifying you
blitzar 9mo ago
"We delete them immediately after we have sold them to our 579 parters"
jorvi 9mo ago
Vendors like that would be in deep GDPR shit if they claim to not store highly sensitive data and then do in fact store highly sensitive data. Generally the GDPR is not rigorously enforced, but when it comes to sensitive data like face scans, IDs, medical data etc. the hammer comes down a lot swifter and harder.
- miohtama 9mo ago
  GDPR does not stop a breach. Discord already lost user IDs. Will GDPR delete them from the darknet?
fatnoah 9mo ago
> Also, _Discord_ deleting them is really only half the battle; random vendors deleting them remains an issue. This really is the issue. Of the 5 or so data breach notifications I received last year, none are from an entity I have a direct relationship with. They're all from a vendor used directly or indirectly by these entities. The real answer is more serious penalties for having data breaches. Having 6 concurrent "identity monitoring" services is of zero value to me.

throw20251220 9mo ago

Since when the city one lives in is mentioned in the birth certificate?

smcin 9mo ago
It was only one example they gave, and they accept multiple different types of ID; a driver's license or national ID card being other likely ones, and DLs do say where you live.
- kvdveer 9mo ago
  None of those documents reliably state my city of residence. At best they document where I once lived, but not even that is guaranteed.
  - malfist 9mo ago
    You are legally required to update those within 10 days of moving.
  - xnyan 9mo ago
    Not updating your DL after changing your address is a crime* in all US states. I'm not as familiar with law elsewhere, but would be surprised if that's not true most other places. *There are exceptions for active duty military personal and other limited exceptions.
    - tosti 9mo ago
      That's pathetic. It would mean you can't live anywhere without a street address, such as a camp site or a ship. You also can't be a nomad. So much for "land of the free".
      - mcmcmc 9mo ago
        Unless you’re wild camping, campsites have addresses. So do marinas where a ship would need to be docked more or less regularly to establish residency. As for being a nomad, you don’t need a driver’s license or any kind of ID to wander if you’re willing to sleep rough. If you want to drive on public roadways though, you better have a primary address where the courts can send someone if you kill someone in a traffic accident and bail.

comboy 9mo ago

Well since you have these IDs, for national security (AML, criminals and whatnot), we will need you to keep them if our endpoint says so, here's the endpoint https://.gov/print?text=true

vee-kay 9mo ago

>"Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners".. Yeah, say goodbye to those the privacy and safety of those documents.

catify 9mo ago

How can we even confirm that they are actually deleting them. Trust me bro vibe

menaerus 9mo ago
Imagine the neural network you could train over such a large dataset of ID's so when you pay your bills or do the flight check-in you avoid the hassle of manually inputting the data yourself? Ah, yes, we have that already.