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Similar effect with the Fallout series. A whole lot of the fanbase has never played any of the three 2D games (Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics). The series

Similar effect with the Fallout series. A whole lot of the fanbase has never played any of the three 2D games (Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics). The series started, for them, with Fallout 3. I’m kinda that way with Elder Scrolls. My first one was III (Morrowind) and I’ve still never played the first two.

reactordev 8mo ago
Daggerfall is a must!!! You'll get to see how it shaped Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls games that came after (including Morrowind)
- secretballot 8mo ago
  Yeah, it’s on the list for when I can put 20+ hours a week into video games again without constant interruptions (kids, man, hahaha, I appreciate pick-up-and-put-down sorts of games so much more than I used to)
  - reactordev 8mo ago
    They recently remastered it for modern systems, it will be there when the kids ask “What’s that?” And you get to open Pandora’s box for them. “Oh this? This… is Elder Scrolls”. I had a similar moment in my life when my daughter asked me about D&D late 2010s. They’re grown now but boy did I bombard them with nerddom.
  - Tade0 8mo ago
    The world is surprisingly huge for a game that came out in 1996. I recall looking over the shoulder of my friend who was playing it religiously and seeing all those dots on the continent map, asking my him if those are all navigable locations, to which he replied: "yeah, I haven't even visited all of them yet".
- chongli 8mo ago
  Yeah, Daggerfall really holds up well today. The game can be downloaded completely for free (truly gratis; no DLC, no ads) on Steam. Then using the official data files you'll get the best experience playing with Daggerfall Unity [2] which is a fanmade rewrite of the game engine on Unity. DFU fixes/avoids a lot of longstanding bugs in the base game, runs in high resolution, and has a long draw distance (which is a big deal since the in-game distances are VAST). [1] https://store.steampowered.com/app/1812390/The_Elder_Scrolls_II_Daggerfall/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1812390/The_Elder_Scrolls... [2] https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-1-0-release/ https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-1-0-release/
  - bloqs 8mo ago
    Thank you for this. I feel i missed this title as a youth but it was of the era i loved. Modern games have somewhat spoilt old input and controls for me but a modernisation is just what i need
    - chongli 8mo ago
      Daggerfall by default has some pretty weird controls but even the original game lets you customize them enough to play with WASD movement and strafing and full mouse-look. It's very smooth. DFU makes the frame rate even smoother so that it really has a great feel!
    - opan 8mo ago
      You might also be interested in Barony. https://store.steampowered.com/app/371970/Barony/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/371970/Barony/
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amatecha 8mo ago
Yeah, for me, Fallout 1 and 2 are the definitive Fallout games (ignoring Tactics as I never played it). I felt like 3 and onward were like Elder Scrolls total conversions, and I always saw them as "spiritual successors" but not exactly cut from the same cloth, or something. Like, same universe, but very different style and feel, and far less memorable or influential to me. Of course I played the first two games at a far more impressionable age, but the actual atmosphere of the games was a lot more gritty and impactful, even comparing the "eras" today.
- Joel_Mckay 8mo ago
  It is said Bethesda was kit bashing the initial titles. Griefers don't get mad... we all know it is true =3
  - lproven 8mo ago
    Um. Could someone please tell me what these phrases mean in old-people English? > Bethesda was kit bashing the initial titles. And > Griefers don't get mad... And in context... > we all know it is true And this emoji? > =3 This comment and having to ask makes me feel 116 instead of 58. Jeez.
    - Joel_Mckay 8mo ago
      In general, people expect to see someone at least tried to find details/definitions on their own. Then to ask other people to take time to clarify subjects. In this case, LMGTFY: By the time later Game releases were in production, world assets were already being heavily recycled. It doesn't describe the popularity of expansion/add-on packs, but rather the quality of the content discussed by the parent thread. Jokes like "learn to shoot, while walking backwards..." are still meme truisms from the Games design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(franchise)#Games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(franchise)#Games "Kitbashing" is a term originally from film/TV/model-builders for visual effects models with heavily recycled parts from multiple kits (see red dwarf or star wars set documentaries for details.) Accordingly, many modern games also mix generic re-skinned asset packs rather than hire fussy artists. The joke meme about "if you see barrels, than you know the game developers were out of ideas..." highlights how process people try to build products hoping people won't care about the drop in content quality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitbashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitbashing YC has a population of folks that bury anything that doesn't fit personal opinions. It is a poorly structured interface in some ways, as people tend to interpret context based on whatever they were doing 30 seconds beforehand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer Don't worry about it... =3 “Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process.” (E.B. White)
tmtvl 8mo ago
Did you deliberately leave out Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, or did you just forget it exists?
- secretballot 8mo ago
  Console only fallout game? Fake. Can’t be real. [edit] but really, I was like “man, I feel like there’s another one…” but figured I must have just been thinking of the never-made sequel that got as far as some planning (Van Buren).
Klaster_1 8mo ago
Morrowind was my first TES too and I recently tried Daggerfall Unity. In 20 hours, I learned that I don't like shallow vast sea games at all. I don't want to "reolplay" and grind computer generated quests. Even Starfield was better as it at least had modern quest lines, although with awful writing.

reactordev 8mo ago

Daggerfall is a must!!! You'll get to see how it shaped Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls games that came after (including Morrowind)

secretballot 8mo ago
Yeah, it’s on the list for when I can put 20+ hours a week into video games again without constant interruptions (kids, man, hahaha, I appreciate pick-up-and-put-down sorts of games so much more than I used to)
- reactordev 8mo ago
  They recently remastered it for modern systems, it will be there when the kids ask “What’s that?” And you get to open Pandora’s box for them. “Oh this? This… is Elder Scrolls”. I had a similar moment in my life when my daughter asked me about D&D late 2010s. They’re grown now but boy did I bombard them with nerddom.
- Tade0 8mo ago
  The world is surprisingly huge for a game that came out in 1996. I recall looking over the shoulder of my friend who was playing it religiously and seeing all those dots on the continent map, asking my him if those are all navigable locations, to which he replied: "yeah, I haven't even visited all of them yet".
chongli 8mo ago
Yeah, Daggerfall really holds up well today. The game can be downloaded completely for free (truly gratis; no DLC, no ads) on Steam. Then using the official data files you'll get the best experience playing with Daggerfall Unity [2] which is a fanmade rewrite of the game engine on Unity. DFU fixes/avoids a lot of longstanding bugs in the base game, runs in high resolution, and has a long draw distance (which is a big deal since the in-game distances are VAST). [1] https://store.steampowered.com/app/1812390/The_Elder_Scrolls_II_Daggerfall/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1812390/The_Elder_Scrolls... [2] https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-1-0-release/ https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-1-0-release/
- bloqs 8mo ago
  Thank you for this. I feel i missed this title as a youth but it was of the era i loved. Modern games have somewhat spoilt old input and controls for me but a modernisation is just what i need
  - chongli 8mo ago
    Daggerfall by default has some pretty weird controls but even the original game lets you customize them enough to play with WASD movement and strafing and full mouse-look. It's very smooth. DFU makes the frame rate even smoother so that it really has a great feel!
  - opan 8mo ago
    You might also be interested in Barony. https://store.steampowered.com/app/371970/Barony/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/371970/Barony/

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amatecha 8mo ago

Yeah, for me, Fallout 1 and 2 are the definitive Fallout games (ignoring Tactics as I never played it). I felt like 3 and onward were like Elder Scrolls total conversions, and I always saw them as "spiritual successors" but not exactly cut from the same cloth, or something. Like, same universe, but very different style and feel, and far less memorable or influential to me. Of course I played the first two games at a far more impressionable age, but the actual atmosphere of the games was a lot more gritty and impactful, even comparing the "eras" today.

Joel_Mckay 8mo ago
It is said Bethesda was kit bashing the initial titles. Griefers don't get mad... we all know it is true =3
- lproven 8mo ago
  Um. Could someone please tell me what these phrases mean in old-people English? > Bethesda was kit bashing the initial titles. And > Griefers don't get mad... And in context... > we all know it is true And this emoji? > =3 This comment and having to ask makes me feel 116 instead of 58. Jeez.
  - Joel_Mckay 8mo ago
    In general, people expect to see someone at least tried to find details/definitions on their own. Then to ask other people to take time to clarify subjects. In this case, LMGTFY: By the time later Game releases were in production, world assets were already being heavily recycled. It doesn't describe the popularity of expansion/add-on packs, but rather the quality of the content discussed by the parent thread. Jokes like "learn to shoot, while walking backwards..." are still meme truisms from the Games design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(franchise)#Games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(franchise)#Games "Kitbashing" is a term originally from film/TV/model-builders for visual effects models with heavily recycled parts from multiple kits (see red dwarf or star wars set documentaries for details.) Accordingly, many modern games also mix generic re-skinned asset packs rather than hire fussy artists. The joke meme about "if you see barrels, than you know the game developers were out of ideas..." highlights how process people try to build products hoping people won't care about the drop in content quality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitbashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitbashing YC has a population of folks that bury anything that doesn't fit personal opinions. It is a poorly structured interface in some ways, as people tend to interpret context based on whatever they were doing 30 seconds beforehand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer Don't worry about it... =3 “Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process.” (E.B. White)

tmtvl 8mo ago

Did you deliberately leave out Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, or did you just forget it exists?

secretballot 8mo ago
Console only fallout game? Fake. Can’t be real. [edit] but really, I was like “man, I feel like there’s another one…” but figured I must have just been thinking of the never-made sequel that got as far as some planning (Van Buren).

Klaster_1 8mo ago

Morrowind was my first TES too and I recently tried Daggerfall Unity. In 20 hours, I learned that I don't like shallow vast sea games at all. I don't want to "reolplay" and grind computer generated quests. Even Starfield was better as it at least had modern quest lines, although with awful writing.