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Goes the other way around too: Linux will only have a good desktop environment when it's users will be willing to leave it.

xigoi 9mo ago
I recently started using COSMIC and I would definitely call it good, even if it has a few rough edges due to just recently coming out of beta.
ErroneousBosh 9mo ago
Linux has had several good desktop environments for well over 20 years. When is Windows going to get a good desktop environment?
bigstrat2003 9mo ago
I mean, from my perspective Linux has multiple good desktop environments. I've used both Cinnamon and KDE for years and have found both perfectly pleasant to use.
Mordisquitos 9mo ago
> Linux will only have a good desktop environment when it's users will be willing to leave it. Putting aside the debate as to the quality of desktop environments, I honestly hope you're being intentionally nonsensical as a joke. What you describe can only make sense under the grossly misinformed belief that "Linux" is a monolithic entity incentivised to stop its users from "leaving it", and that this mythical "Linux" would have the agency to decide it needed "a good desktop environment" in order to avoid that from happening.
wolvoleo 9mo ago
Linux desktop environments are developed by its users wanting the best experience possible. Windows is designed by a committee that tries to do as little as possible and has ulterior motives higher on the priority scale than UX. Like marketing copilot and other Microsoft subscription services. Microsoft software is always aimed to be just good enough for the users to not choose something better. They love just coasting on their marketshare without doing much to improve. Like they did with internet explorer and now do with office.
- blibble 9mo ago
  > Linux desktop environments are developed by its users wanting the best experience possible. have you used GNOME?
  - pxc 9mo ago
    I'm a lifelong KDE person but it's still clear to me that GNOME is crafted with care, and I find it pretty usable.
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      GNOME is crafted in exactly the same committee style as Windows and MacOS. It's crafted by the same people who brought you systemd, if that means anything to you. If you're a lifelong KDE user you might not have used GNOME in a while and seen how it's gotten.
  - amlib 9mo ago
    GNOME devs operates more like benevolent dictators. It sure is oppressive and you better be glad for what you are getting, but what they put out with so few resources is leagues above what microsoft can do nowadays.
  - nik282000 9mo ago
    GNOME is easy. Press the super key, type the first 1 to 4 characters of your application's name, press enter. I haven't been in the GNOME settings for years.
  - innocentoldguy 9mo ago
    I'm currently using Niri+Noctalia just to try them out, but I typically use Gnome and like it quite a bit for its simple, clean interface. I use macOS and Linux, and the way GNOME works makes switching between them easier for me than when I run KDE, for instance (I'm sure others have a different experience, and that's what is so great about Linux).
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xigoi 9mo ago

I recently started using COSMIC and I would definitely call it good, even if it has a few rough edges due to just recently coming out of beta.

ErroneousBosh 9mo ago

Linux has had several good desktop environments for well over 20 years. When is Windows going to get a good desktop environment?

bigstrat2003 9mo ago

I mean, from my perspective Linux has multiple good desktop environments. I've used both Cinnamon and KDE for years and have found both perfectly pleasant to use.

Mordisquitos 9mo ago

> Linux will only have a good desktop environment when it's users will be willing to leave it. Putting aside the debate as to the quality of desktop environments, I honestly hope you're being intentionally nonsensical as a joke. What you describe can only make sense under the grossly misinformed belief that "Linux" is a monolithic entity incentivised to stop its users from "leaving it", and that this mythical "Linux" would have the agency to decide it needed "a good desktop environment" in order to avoid that from happening.

wolvoleo 9mo ago

Linux desktop environments are developed by its users wanting the best experience possible. Windows is designed by a committee that tries to do as little as possible and has ulterior motives higher on the priority scale than UX. Like marketing copilot and other Microsoft subscription services. Microsoft software is always aimed to be just good enough for the users to not choose something better. They love just coasting on their marketshare without doing much to improve. Like they did with internet explorer and now do with office.

blibble 9mo ago
> Linux desktop environments are developed by its users wanting the best experience possible. have you used GNOME?
- pxc 9mo ago
  I'm a lifelong KDE person but it's still clear to me that GNOME is crafted with care, and I find it pretty usable.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    GNOME is crafted in exactly the same committee style as Windows and MacOS. It's crafted by the same people who brought you systemd, if that means anything to you. If you're a lifelong KDE user you might not have used GNOME in a while and seen how it's gotten.
- amlib 9mo ago
  GNOME devs operates more like benevolent dictators. It sure is oppressive and you better be glad for what you are getting, but what they put out with so few resources is leagues above what microsoft can do nowadays.
- nik282000 9mo ago
  GNOME is easy. Press the super key, type the first 1 to 4 characters of your application's name, press enter. I haven't been in the GNOME settings for years.
- innocentoldguy 9mo ago
  I'm currently using Niri+Noctalia just to try them out, but I typically use Gnome and like it quite a bit for its simple, clean interface. I use macOS and Linux, and the way GNOME works makes switching between them easier for me than when I run KDE, for instance (I'm sure others have a different experience, and that's what is so great about Linux).
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