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“Good portion of the world” is probably a handful of people. Her full quote btw: “Once upon a time, I was the centerfold of Playboy,” says the former model in

by groundzeros2015 9mo ago

“Good portion of the world” is probably a handful of people. Her full quote btw: “Once upon a time, I was the centerfold of Playboy,” says the former model in the new documentary Losing Lena. “But I retired from modeling a long time ago. It’s time I retired from tech, too.”

monocasa 9mo ago
Well, for instance, it's the official policy of the IEEE to not allow this image in new publications. And they're far from the only journal (or set of journals) that have this policy.
- groundzeros2015 9mo ago
  Of course. Most people don’t care and a few vocal ones do.
  - monocasa 9mo ago
    As in most organizations that would know about it and come into contact with it.
    - groundzeros2015 9mo ago
      I think my comment is true of the graphics programming/research community.
      - monocasa 9mo ago
        Given that it's use is banned in most academic journals dealing with imaging/graphics, you'd be wrong. And as several journals have brought up in the banning, it's not even good at what it purports to be for these use cases. It's a pretty poor quality image to start off with due to being scanned to a digital file with 1970s technology. At this point the ones defending its continued use are the vocal minority on some weird anti-woke crusade that doesn't even make sense on technical grounds.
        groundzeros2015 9mo ago
        You’re using vocal minority framing right now. When I care about it, I’m a weird crusader for caring and noticing. But then you organize a campaign to change it. There is a large body of literature using these images so it’s helpful to have a comparison which is persistent through time and familiar. > Given that it's use is banned in most academic journals dealing with imaging/graphics, you'd be wrong. Critical thinking caps required for this one.
        monocasa 9mo ago
        I was repeating your framing. > Most people don’t care and a few vocal ones do.
efilife 9mo ago
I found a contradicting statement where she said that she doesn't mind her picture being used in tech. Maybe even in the wikipedia article you got this quote from. I don't have the time to find it right now but here for example she says she's proud of the picture: https://archive.is/fIRoG https://archive.is/fIRoG "Lena doesn’t harbor any resentment toward Sawchuk and his imitators for how they appropriated her image; the only note of regret she expressed was that she wasn’t better compensated. In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said."
- groundzeros2015 9mo ago
  I agree. I shared the quote above (cited as evidence on Wikipedia) because it’s not at all clear she said she disapproves. combined with your quote I think we have a classic case of being offended on another’s behalf.
  - efilife 9mo ago
    Oh, I grossly misinterpreted what you said then > I think we have a classic case of being offended on another’s behalf. Definitely!

monocasa 9mo ago

Well, for instance, it's the official policy of the IEEE to not allow this image in new publications. And they're far from the only journal (or set of journals) that have this policy.

groundzeros2015 9mo ago
Of course. Most people don’t care and a few vocal ones do.
- monocasa 9mo ago
  As in most organizations that would know about it and come into contact with it.
  - groundzeros2015 9mo ago
    I think my comment is true of the graphics programming/research community.
    - monocasa 9mo ago
      Given that it's use is banned in most academic journals dealing with imaging/graphics, you'd be wrong. And as several journals have brought up in the banning, it's not even good at what it purports to be for these use cases. It's a pretty poor quality image to start off with due to being scanned to a digital file with 1970s technology. At this point the ones defending its continued use are the vocal minority on some weird anti-woke crusade that doesn't even make sense on technical grounds.
      - groundzeros2015 9mo ago
        You’re using vocal minority framing right now. When I care about it, I’m a weird crusader for caring and noticing. But then you organize a campaign to change it. There is a large body of literature using these images so it’s helpful to have a comparison which is persistent through time and familiar. > Given that it's use is banned in most academic journals dealing with imaging/graphics, you'd be wrong. Critical thinking caps required for this one.
        monocasa 9mo ago
        I was repeating your framing. > Most people don’t care and a few vocal ones do.

efilife 9mo ago

I found a contradicting statement where she said that she doesn't mind her picture being used in tech. Maybe even in the wikipedia article you got this quote from. I don't have the time to find it right now but here for example she says she's proud of the picture: https://archive.is/fIRoG https://archive.is/fIRoG "Lena doesn’t harbor any resentment toward Sawchuk and his imitators for how they appropriated her image; the only note of regret she expressed was that she wasn’t better compensated. In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said."

groundzeros2015 9mo ago
I agree. I shared the quote above (cited as evidence on Wikipedia) because it’s not at all clear she said she disapproves. combined with your quote I think we have a classic case of being offended on another’s behalf.
- efilife 9mo ago
  Oh, I grossly misinterpreted what you said then > I think we have a classic case of being offended on another’s behalf. Definitely!