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I can't believe AI music hasn't hit the mainstream yet. It's the most amazing thing I've seen since my original ChatGPT 3.5 wtf experience. https://suno.com/pla

I can't believe AI music hasn't hit the mainstream yet. It's the most amazing thing I've seen since my original ChatGPT 3.5 wtf experience. https://suno.com/playlist/fe6b642c-f4a8-4402-b775-806348640e8b https://suno.com/playlist/fe6b642c-f4a8-4402-b775-806348640e... This song was generated from my 2-sentence prompt about a botched trash pickup: https://suno.com/s/Bdo9jzngQ4rvQko9 https://suno.com/s/Bdo9jzngQ4rvQko9

thousand_nights 8mo ago
music is a form of storytelling and expression of human emotions, i can't connect with some generated noise or go to its live gig
codethief 8mo ago
From the OP: > For complex AI generated music, tools like Suno and Udio are obviously in a different league as they're trained specifically on audio and can produce genuinely impressive results. But that's not what this experiment was about.
kypro 8mo ago
I agree. It's shockingly good. It's not just good at producing complete songs though, AI has made it trivial to take garbage and make it sound good. I largely stopped making music because imo unless you're in the top 5% of musicians AI is probably able to write better music than you. I guess it's the same with visual artists. Unless you're really, really good it's hard to understand why anyone would produce art by hand these days.
- jader201 8mo ago
  > I largely stopped making music because imo unless you're in the top 5% of musicians AI is probably able to write better music than you. It won't be long before this becomes: > I largely stopped making _____ because imo unless you're in the top 5% of making _____ AI is probably able to make _____ better than you. Especially where _____ is anything that can be created digitally.
- dfltr 8mo ago
  We make art because humans are compelled to express themselves. That's it. That's the whole thing. It's not stack ranked. Humans make art because, in the words of Pile, "I want answers to some questions that I can’t speak." The idea that you'd stop trying to express yourself because you're comparing your own artistic voice to the output of an LLM and somehow seeing it as less valid, or less worthwhile, is just sad. I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it's genuinely sad for you and for all of us as a species.
- 63 8mo ago
  There were always musicians who were better than you. If that didn't stop you, why did AI? Were you only making music to be the best? Surely you knew that was extraordinarily unlikely. If you like making music, then make music and like it.
  - kypro 8mo ago
    Fair point. Just trying to analysis my thoughts a bit more here... ... Before when writing music I could come up with something in my head and make that thing real with significant effort. Now anyone can do that, including myself using AI in just 15 minutes. That demotivates me because why would I put effort into something that AI can do as good, or better than me 10-20x faster? I think if I was such a good musician that the delta between myself and AI was significant it would make sense to continue making music, but in my case it is not. I also really like music production and music production specifically increasingly feels too easy... Over the last 5 years there's been a huge range of "click and make it sound good" type plugins. I could spend hours trying to make something sound good, but I feel like it's less impressive these days because everything can sound good with minimal effort. I feel the same about lots of creative stuff tbh... I used to like photography, but smart phone cameras and AI filters / editing are so good these days the delta between what I can take on my $3,000 camera + photoshop skills is actually quite minimal now vs someone with an iPhone. 10-20 years ago it would be completely incomparable. I used to spend hours designing websites too... Thinking about the brand and UX was one my favourite parts of building new projects. I'll never do that again now. Claude Code is good enough that I can't add enough additional value to make it worth designing from hand. Part of this is just me as a person being obsessed with how I can add something to the world. A lot of the digital creativity which I used to love are no longer productive or value-adding pursuits. And I think for that reason I'm naturally pivoting my time into other things. Specifically creating physical things. Not saying everyone is like me obviously. If something brings you enjoyment personally then go do it. Just don't expect anyone to actually care if you spend weeks designing a website or writing some music anymore. It's just not impressive.
- wrs 8mo ago
  If the reason you were making music wasn't that you enjoyed making music, perhaps stopping is the right choice for you. If that was the reason, then AI is irrelevant. I do enjoy making music, and I don't do it "by hand". I use lots of tools (instruments, electronics, a computer for recording and mixing, the internet for distribution). As long as I'm the one directing the tools, it's still art and it's still my music.
  - elevatortrim 8mo ago
    While I'm not against AI music, do not you think there's a difference between laying down some beats in ableton with your own bass + guitar writing+playing, vs prompting an LLM?
    - empressplay 8mo ago
      Yes, because you have your own style. You do things your own unique way. That's what makes your music your music.
    - wrs 8mo ago
      Are you prompting the LLM in an interesting way? Brian Eno set up a bunch of tape loops of different lengths with a few notes each and let them run until something interesting happened. Washed Out slowed down some Italo disco and sang over it (Feel It All Around aka theme to Portlandia). Does that count? [0] Artists gonna art. [0] https://www.tiktok.com/@nardinyouryard/video/7594724776904641847 https://www.tiktok.com/@nardinyouryard/video/759472477690464...
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wasmainiac 8mo ago
Because people don’t want to listen to robots. There was a radio station here in Norway caught playing AI music to save on royalties, it was not good for them.
- Flemlord 8mo ago
  The concept of AI music is extremely polarizing. One friend I played it for got visibly angry. Oddly none of the anti-‘s were musicians themselves.
  - Uehreka 8mo ago
    > Oddly none of the anti-‘s were musicians themselves. It is clearly plain to anyone who is a musician or hangs out with a lot of musicians that the independent music world is livid about this stuff. Everyone I’ve talked to, from acoustic songwriters to metal singers to circuit-bending pedalheads are united in their absolute hatred of this technology. (Yes, follow-up commenter, I’ve seen the Timbaland interview)
    - dds-dds 8mo ago
      As an independent musician, I for one welcome our AI overlords. They should not be worried about any technology that needs a human to make it remotely interesting. They should not be worried if they aren't generic sounding independent musicians already. Lastly, and a historical case in point, this whole conversation is a repetition of the anti-Sampler movement of the 80s and 90s. Look what that techno-leap brought us. A new technology brings new sounds, if we all stopped treating a megalithic search engine as a personality, we'll move forwards with a lot less drama.
      - indemnity 8mo ago
        AI music or AI-produced music sounds a bit boring and too-perfect, like auto-tune on steroids. Needs significant human involvement to make it interesting. How long that remains true is another question…
      - 8mo ago
giozaarour 8mo ago
it's not art (for humans) if it's not made by a human with a human story. AI can be used as the tool with which art is made, but not as the maker itself. now, on the other hand, maybe AI can make it's own form of art for other AI's to consume. However, for the human, the creation of art will always need the human taste and story involved
- mbirth 8mo ago
  You can replace the story with log output, though: https://youtube.com/watch?v=atcqMWqB3hw https://youtube.com/watch?v=atcqMWqB3hw From the author: > The instrumental and vocals were both generated using Suno with a lot fiddling around with the prompts. The video was edited by a human in kdenlive :-)
- em-bee 8mo ago
  telling the AI what kind of music i want is not a story? what if i write the lyrics and use AI to add music? or if i use AI to create a song but then play and sing the song with my own instruments and voice? is reciting music not also art? what about DJing? all DJs are doing is replaying someone elses music and recombining it in creative ways. and that is considered art. isn't that similar to telling an AI what melodies or songs to use? i'd agree that a fully AI generated song without any human input is not art, but i would not completely reject AI use either. there is a middle ground somewhere, where that is depends on the intention of the creator.
rafram 8mo ago
Music is about the human experience, emotions, mistakes, accidents, discoveries. I could listen to music by real people being vulnerable and expressing themselves, or I could listen to a computer soullessly regurgitating a stock "blues" melody with inane lyrics about a trash can. Why would I ever pick the latter?
- CSSer 8mo ago
  Respectfully, 25 years ago someone might've said the same thing about you spending any time online at all. Today, people spend far more time on all number of "artificial" experiences. I'm not going to try to convince you that it's good or lasting or even personally entertaining to me, but it seems that it's entertaining to someone.
- em-bee 8mo ago
  funny, i feel the same about most pop music from the last few decades. human created repetitive junk without originality.
- ben_w 8mo ago
  Art can be about that, but if it was only about that for everyone, we would never have had Britney Spears autotuned so hard that my mother assumed she was already listening to a soulless computer when she first heard Spears in c. 2000. Me, I see the patterns too fast to even care for a second play of recorded music from a real human, only theme songs for nostalgia-inducing shows have enough of an emotional kick to get past that. GenAI music has all the same problems as GenAI images (try asking Suno for "Just fox noises" to see what happens out of distribution), but collectively it has at least been a bit harder for me to spot the pattern behind them in aggregate, even if each song by itself still has the same problem for me as any other recording.
- markvdb 8mo ago
  > Music is about the human experience, emotions, mistakes, accidents, discoveries. Pro musician here. There's piles upon piles of human-generated music soullessly regurgitating stock patterns with inane lyrics since long before Alan Turing was even flown in by the stork. Most recent popular music by far is bland sausage factory production. Why not allow yourself to be moved by beautiful music, wheter it's machine generated or not?
olivia-banks 8mo ago
I wouldn't be surprised if it has, or is currently in the process of, doing so. The results are good enough at this point that I think you could probably drop a few songs into a popular Spotify playlist and someone who didn't listen too closely would be fooled. I assume someone is already doing this.
lexandstuff 8mo ago
It has hit the mainstream imo. Most people are content with the amount of music already available.
bramhaag 8mo ago
These songs sound like royalty-free stock music at best. Bland and inoffensive, with the same uncanny and compressed quality that AI-generated images have too. Borderline acceptable for elevator music is a long way from the paradigm shift you claim it is.
- kevin_thibedeau 8mo ago
  There are a lot of much better examples on YouTube. They only hit the uncanny valley when vocals with insipid lyrics are included.
t0bia_s 8mo ago
Guess who is an audience of generated music? Those who prompt it.
canjobear 8mo ago
There's already a huge amount of AI generated music on Youtube.
conception 8mo ago
It definitely has. Spotify regularly recommends AI artists. Stuff like this - https://www.nme.com/news/music/ai-generated-country-track-walk-my-walk-tops-us-billboard-chart-3908829 https://www.nme.com/news/music/ai-generated-country-track-wa... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-woman-behind-chart-topping-ai-artist-xania-monet-i-look-at-her-as-a-real-person/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-woman-behind-chart-top... Etc
jjfoooo4 8mo ago
If you can generate a song with a two sentence prompt, so can anyone else. Music and art is only interesting when there’s originality or a point of view being expressed. I really think art (as in art that’s made for it’s own sake, as opposed to jazzing up a PowerPoint slide or whatever) is by definition something AI will not make inroads in
- conception 8mo ago
  I feel like you’ve never ran into pop culture before. It was algorithmic before AI.
sdf2erf 8mo ago
This is why posts here that are not purely tech related have to be taken with a grain of salt. Total disconnect from what caters the tastes and preferences of most people.

thousand_nights 8mo ago

music is a form of storytelling and expression of human emotions, i can't connect with some generated noise or go to its live gig

codethief 8mo ago

From the OP: > For complex AI generated music, tools like Suno and Udio are obviously in a different league as they're trained specifically on audio and can produce genuinely impressive results. But that's not what this experiment was about.

kypro 8mo ago

I agree. It's shockingly good. It's not just good at producing complete songs though, AI has made it trivial to take garbage and make it sound good. I largely stopped making music because imo unless you're in the top 5% of musicians AI is probably able to write better music than you. I guess it's the same with visual artists. Unless you're really, really good it's hard to understand why anyone would produce art by hand these days.

jader201 8mo ago
> I largely stopped making music because imo unless you're in the top 5% of musicians AI is probably able to write better music than you. It won't be long before this becomes: > I largely stopped making _____ because imo unless you're in the top 5% of making _____ AI is probably able to make _____ better than you. Especially where _____ is anything that can be created digitally.
dfltr 8mo ago
We make art because humans are compelled to express themselves. That's it. That's the whole thing. It's not stack ranked. Humans make art because, in the words of Pile, "I want answers to some questions that I can’t speak." The idea that you'd stop trying to express yourself because you're comparing your own artistic voice to the output of an LLM and somehow seeing it as less valid, or less worthwhile, is just sad. I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it's genuinely sad for you and for all of us as a species.
63 8mo ago
There were always musicians who were better than you. If that didn't stop you, why did AI? Were you only making music to be the best? Surely you knew that was extraordinarily unlikely. If you like making music, then make music and like it.
- kypro 8mo ago
  Fair point. Just trying to analysis my thoughts a bit more here... ... Before when writing music I could come up with something in my head and make that thing real with significant effort. Now anyone can do that, including myself using AI in just 15 minutes. That demotivates me because why would I put effort into something that AI can do as good, or better than me 10-20x faster? I think if I was such a good musician that the delta between myself and AI was significant it would make sense to continue making music, but in my case it is not. I also really like music production and music production specifically increasingly feels too easy... Over the last 5 years there's been a huge range of "click and make it sound good" type plugins. I could spend hours trying to make something sound good, but I feel like it's less impressive these days because everything can sound good with minimal effort. I feel the same about lots of creative stuff tbh... I used to like photography, but smart phone cameras and AI filters / editing are so good these days the delta between what I can take on my $3,000 camera + photoshop skills is actually quite minimal now vs someone with an iPhone. 10-20 years ago it would be completely incomparable. I used to spend hours designing websites too... Thinking about the brand and UX was one my favourite parts of building new projects. I'll never do that again now. Claude Code is good enough that I can't add enough additional value to make it worth designing from hand. Part of this is just me as a person being obsessed with how I can add something to the world. A lot of the digital creativity which I used to love are no longer productive or value-adding pursuits. And I think for that reason I'm naturally pivoting my time into other things. Specifically creating physical things. Not saying everyone is like me obviously. If something brings you enjoyment personally then go do it. Just don't expect anyone to actually care if you spend weeks designing a website or writing some music anymore. It's just not impressive.
wrs 8mo ago
If the reason you were making music wasn't that you enjoyed making music, perhaps stopping is the right choice for you. If that was the reason, then AI is irrelevant. I do enjoy making music, and I don't do it "by hand". I use lots of tools (instruments, electronics, a computer for recording and mixing, the internet for distribution). As long as I'm the one directing the tools, it's still art and it's still my music.
- elevatortrim 8mo ago
  While I'm not against AI music, do not you think there's a difference between laying down some beats in ableton with your own bass + guitar writing+playing, vs prompting an LLM?
  - empressplay 8mo ago
    Yes, because you have your own style. You do things your own unique way. That's what makes your music your music.
  - wrs 8mo ago
    Are you prompting the LLM in an interesting way? Brian Eno set up a bunch of tape loops of different lengths with a few notes each and let them run until something interesting happened. Washed Out slowed down some Italo disco and sang over it (Feel It All Around aka theme to Portlandia). Does that count? [0] Artists gonna art. [0] https://www.tiktok.com/@nardinyouryard/video/7594724776904641847 https://www.tiktok.com/@nardinyouryard/video/759472477690464...
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wasmainiac 8mo ago

Because people don’t want to listen to robots. There was a radio station here in Norway caught playing AI music to save on royalties, it was not good for them.

Flemlord 8mo ago
The concept of AI music is extremely polarizing. One friend I played it for got visibly angry. Oddly none of the anti-‘s were musicians themselves.
- Uehreka 8mo ago
  > Oddly none of the anti-‘s were musicians themselves. It is clearly plain to anyone who is a musician or hangs out with a lot of musicians that the independent music world is livid about this stuff. Everyone I’ve talked to, from acoustic songwriters to metal singers to circuit-bending pedalheads are united in their absolute hatred of this technology. (Yes, follow-up commenter, I’ve seen the Timbaland interview)
  - dds-dds 8mo ago
    As an independent musician, I for one welcome our AI overlords. They should not be worried about any technology that needs a human to make it remotely interesting. They should not be worried if they aren't generic sounding independent musicians already. Lastly, and a historical case in point, this whole conversation is a repetition of the anti-Sampler movement of the 80s and 90s. Look what that techno-leap brought us. A new technology brings new sounds, if we all stopped treating a megalithic search engine as a personality, we'll move forwards with a lot less drama.
    - indemnity 8mo ago
      AI music or AI-produced music sounds a bit boring and too-perfect, like auto-tune on steroids. Needs significant human involvement to make it interesting. How long that remains true is another question…
    - 8mo ago

giozaarour 8mo ago

it's not art (for humans) if it's not made by a human with a human story. AI can be used as the tool with which art is made, but not as the maker itself. now, on the other hand, maybe AI can make it's own form of art for other AI's to consume. However, for the human, the creation of art will always need the human taste and story involved

mbirth 8mo ago
You can replace the story with log output, though: https://youtube.com/watch?v=atcqMWqB3hw https://youtube.com/watch?v=atcqMWqB3hw From the author: > The instrumental and vocals were both generated using Suno with a lot fiddling around with the prompts. The video was edited by a human in kdenlive :-)
em-bee 8mo ago
telling the AI what kind of music i want is not a story? what if i write the lyrics and use AI to add music? or if i use AI to create a song but then play and sing the song with my own instruments and voice? is reciting music not also art? what about DJing? all DJs are doing is replaying someone elses music and recombining it in creative ways. and that is considered art. isn't that similar to telling an AI what melodies or songs to use? i'd agree that a fully AI generated song without any human input is not art, but i would not completely reject AI use either. there is a middle ground somewhere, where that is depends on the intention of the creator.

rafram 8mo ago

Music is about the human experience, emotions, mistakes, accidents, discoveries. I could listen to music by real people being vulnerable and expressing themselves, or I could listen to a computer soullessly regurgitating a stock "blues" melody with inane lyrics about a trash can. Why would I ever pick the latter?

CSSer 8mo ago
Respectfully, 25 years ago someone might've said the same thing about you spending any time online at all. Today, people spend far more time on all number of "artificial" experiences. I'm not going to try to convince you that it's good or lasting or even personally entertaining to me, but it seems that it's entertaining to someone.
em-bee 8mo ago
funny, i feel the same about most pop music from the last few decades. human created repetitive junk without originality.
ben_w 8mo ago
Art can be about that, but if it was only about that for everyone, we would never have had Britney Spears autotuned so hard that my mother assumed she was already listening to a soulless computer when she first heard Spears in c. 2000. Me, I see the patterns too fast to even care for a second play of recorded music from a real human, only theme songs for nostalgia-inducing shows have enough of an emotional kick to get past that. GenAI music has all the same problems as GenAI images (try asking Suno for "Just fox noises" to see what happens out of distribution), but collectively it has at least been a bit harder for me to spot the pattern behind them in aggregate, even if each song by itself still has the same problem for me as any other recording.
markvdb 8mo ago
> Music is about the human experience, emotions, mistakes, accidents, discoveries. Pro musician here. There's piles upon piles of human-generated music soullessly regurgitating stock patterns with inane lyrics since long before Alan Turing was even flown in by the stork. Most recent popular music by far is bland sausage factory production. Why not allow yourself to be moved by beautiful music, wheter it's machine generated or not?

olivia-banks 8mo ago

I wouldn't be surprised if it has, or is currently in the process of, doing so. The results are good enough at this point that I think you could probably drop a few songs into a popular Spotify playlist and someone who didn't listen too closely would be fooled. I assume someone is already doing this.

lexandstuff 8mo ago

It has hit the mainstream imo. Most people are content with the amount of music already available.

bramhaag 8mo ago

These songs sound like royalty-free stock music at best. Bland and inoffensive, with the same uncanny and compressed quality that AI-generated images have too. Borderline acceptable for elevator music is a long way from the paradigm shift you claim it is.

kevin_thibedeau 8mo ago
There are a lot of much better examples on YouTube. They only hit the uncanny valley when vocals with insipid lyrics are included.

t0bia_s 8mo ago

Guess who is an audience of generated music? Those who prompt it.

canjobear 8mo ago

There's already a huge amount of AI generated music on Youtube.

conception 8mo ago

It definitely has. Spotify regularly recommends AI artists. Stuff like this - https://www.nme.com/news/music/ai-generated-country-track-walk-my-walk-tops-us-billboard-chart-3908829 https://www.nme.com/news/music/ai-generated-country-track-wa... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-woman-behind-chart-topping-ai-artist-xania-monet-i-look-at-her-as-a-real-person/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-woman-behind-chart-top... Etc

jjfoooo4 8mo ago

If you can generate a song with a two sentence prompt, so can anyone else. Music and art is only interesting when there’s originality or a point of view being expressed. I really think art (as in art that’s made for it’s own sake, as opposed to jazzing up a PowerPoint slide or whatever) is by definition something AI will not make inroads in

conception 8mo ago
I feel like you’ve never ran into pop culture before. It was algorithmic before AI.

sdf2erf 8mo ago

This is why posts here that are not purely tech related have to be taken with a grain of salt. Total disconnect from what caters the tastes and preferences of most people.