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>So they just said "These people are anti-fascist and this is a bad thing" A: "Hey guys, I think think this PATRIOT act thing is bad" B: "Wait, you're saying
by gruez 9mo ago
>So they just said "These people are anti-fascist and this is a bad thing"
A: "Hey guys, I think think this PATRIOT act thing is bad"
B: "Wait, you're saying patriots are bad? What are you, some sort of seditious non-patriot?"
- pixl97 9mo agoAh yes, I too conflate bills written by organized lobbyists with a loosely affiliated group that says American shouldn't be ran by Nazi's. The Nazi's running America get very mad about that and ensure to flood the airwaves with how cities in the US are mile wide smoking craters due to people who don't like authoritarians.
- gruez 9mo ago[flagged]
- amanaplanacanal 9mo agoBeing opposed to antifa because some of the people using the label are violent seems to be painting with an overly broad brush.
- direwolf20 9mo ago"I'm opposed to atheism because some atheists are violent. I'm also opposed to vegetarianism because some vegetarians are violent." You know what's telling? They're only ever against one side. Some anti–antifa are violent too, but they never care about that.
- watwut 9mo ago> Approximately nobody is against "antifa" because they're fighting "fascists". So, I will say that far right, comservatives and fascists are against anti-fascism of any kind. Whether it is the boogeyman antifa or anything else. And there are a lot of people like that. Including in goverment. They do take issue with anyone who openly opposes fascism.
- ToValueFunfetti 9mo agoI know we're not supposed to talk about it, but what in the world is happening to this site? Mistaking 'Antifa' for 'the concept of opposing fascism' is not the kind of failure mode I expect here. And this kind of thing has become endemic lately- emotive noise and sarcastic dunks drowning out substance in every thread, especially since the beginning of December. Or am I just imagining this?
- GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago> Mistaking 'Antifa' for 'the concept of opposing fascism' that's literally what it means in theory and in practice
- ToValueFunfetti 9mo ago'The concept of opposing fascism' doesn't mean anything in practice. You have to implement practice around it, you can't just literally do a concept!
- GuinansEyebrows 9mo agoyou say that as if people are not actively physically opposing fascism in deed in the united states right now!
- ToValueFunfetti 9mo agoBy physically opposing fascism, I assume you mean they are taking specific practical actions rather than becoming one with the platonic concept of opposition to fascism. It may seem an obvious or insignificant point, but it is critical here. If they physically oppose fascism by following and filming ICE, I'm very much on board. If they oppose it by molotoving innocent local government buildings, I am against. If both of these actions are the concept of opposing fascism, what does it mean to be against that? Antifa are belligerants. They undermine protests by having the maturity to die for a cause but not to live for one. One can be against that without being fascist.
- derektank 9mo agoThe point GP was making, which holds as a general rule, is that simply adopting a moniker does not necessarily mean that it accurately describes you. Your argument pre-supposed that just because Antifa self-describes as antifascist, it inherently is, and that the CEO was expressing an opposition to the concept of antifascism, rather than simply expressing opposition to the specific group. If Antifa’s record speaks for itself, then you don’t need to play these kinds of word games. If some CEO spoke unflatteringly of The Red Cross or Habitat For Humanity, that would say more about them than anything, not because they have virtuous sounding names (though they admittedly do) but because they’ve established a specific track record of public service.
- schmidtleonard 9mo agoThe point pixl97 was making was that they believed anti-anti-fascist described the Flock CEO. If Flock's reputation spoke for itself, their CEO wouldn't have to play these kind of legal games.
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- RealityVoid 9mo agoI don't even know what antifa _is_ anymore, honestly. I only see it used as a boogie man by the right in discourse online. But I _do_ know that when someone tags someone as "antifa" they are making a political statement and aligning themselves with a certain group that perceives "antifa" a certain way. "See, I hate those damn' antifa terrorists, I'm in the same camp as you! Please help my company make money!"
- derektank 9mo agoNo disagreement there, and I think it was an inane comment on Langley’s part, to be clear
- ToucanLoucan 9mo ago> The point GP was making, which holds as a general rule, is that simply adopting a moniker does not necessarily mean that it accurately describes you. I'm deeply curious why you think someone would identify as an anti-fascist if they were not, in fact, anti-fascist. Do you think they just really like the flag logo or...?
- direwolf20 9mo agoWell you see the difference is that antifa means anti fascist but the PATRIOT act isn't patriotic, it's just called that. Hope this helps.