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What I don't understand is why the Democrats don't just come out hard against AI at this point. It is unpopular and the tech titans are openly Republicans.

rapsey 8mo ago
The tech titans are openly republicans because the democrats kicked them out.
- oytis 8mo ago
  Who kicked out whom? I might be missing some context here, to me it were tech bosses who turned to Trump after he won or after it was clear he was about to win.
  - rapsey 8mo ago
    Democrats turned on Elon during covid, as he was against lockdowns. This spread into wide distrust and complete sidelining and antagonism towards tech during the Biden administration. You can hear about it from Ben and Marc on their a16z podcast, when they explained why they are endorsing Trump. This was despite the tech community being predominantly democrats. They turned to Trump, because the democrats shut them out completely and in some cases were highly antagonistic (crypto and elon companies).
    - disgruntledphd2 8mo ago
      > Democrats turned on Elon during covid, as he was against lockdowns. This spread into wide distrust and complete sidelining and antagonism towards tech during the Biden administration. You can hear about it from Ben and Marc on their a16z podcast, when they explained why they are endorsing Trump. Look, a16z basically are talking their book. They went heavily into crypto, and when the Biden administration started taking actions against crypto, they started supporting Republicans. Not everything needs to be complicated.
      - rapsey 8mo ago
        Who said it was complicated? The biden administration also had plans for the AI industry which would kill them. They also had zero interest in any new tech (smr, vtol). The democrats turned against big tech and new tech.
        disgruntledphd2 8mo ago
        > The democrats turned against big tech and new tech. While I didn't agree with a lot of the governmental responses to ChatGPT (the bowlderising of the EU AI act is my personal lowlight), I think that a lot of what the Biden admin was against was monopolies, which I entirely agree with. It's super dangerous (as an example) that basically 3 companies now control all online advertising, and another 3 have a monopoly on renting servers. This is bad for markets and society so I was mostly onboard with a lot of what they did (and am very disappointed in the results of the trials, particularly the Google ones). I don't think this is anti-tech, it's anti-monopoly which I think is really good for basically everyone here over the longer term. That being said, a16z were totally just trying to make sure they had time to unload all their crypto "investments" to another sucker.
OutOfHere 8mo ago
With comments like yours and AI hating voters like you, it's no surprise that Democrats will keep losing.
jfengel 8mo ago
I think they don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. There is a lot wrong with AI, but it doesn't seem to be completely without value. As is typical of Democrats, they're trying to balance multiple interest groups (authors, artists, programmers, users, tech vendors, international markets, etc), arriving at a complex, multifaceted, reasonable position that everybody hates.
- throwawaysleep 8mo ago
  Eh, throw it out anyway. Dems need to learn that if it is not a Democratic baby, it should not get support.

rapsey 8mo ago

The tech titans are openly republicans because the democrats kicked them out.

oytis 8mo ago
Who kicked out whom? I might be missing some context here, to me it were tech bosses who turned to Trump after he won or after it was clear he was about to win.
- rapsey 8mo ago
  Democrats turned on Elon during covid, as he was against lockdowns. This spread into wide distrust and complete sidelining and antagonism towards tech during the Biden administration. You can hear about it from Ben and Marc on their a16z podcast, when they explained why they are endorsing Trump. This was despite the tech community being predominantly democrats. They turned to Trump, because the democrats shut them out completely and in some cases were highly antagonistic (crypto and elon companies).
  - disgruntledphd2 8mo ago
    > Democrats turned on Elon during covid, as he was against lockdowns. This spread into wide distrust and complete sidelining and antagonism towards tech during the Biden administration. You can hear about it from Ben and Marc on their a16z podcast, when they explained why they are endorsing Trump. Look, a16z basically are talking their book. They went heavily into crypto, and when the Biden administration started taking actions against crypto, they started supporting Republicans. Not everything needs to be complicated.
    - rapsey 8mo ago
      Who said it was complicated? The biden administration also had plans for the AI industry which would kill them. They also had zero interest in any new tech (smr, vtol). The democrats turned against big tech and new tech.
      - disgruntledphd2 8mo ago
        > The democrats turned against big tech and new tech. While I didn't agree with a lot of the governmental responses to ChatGPT (the bowlderising of the EU AI act is my personal lowlight), I think that a lot of what the Biden admin was against was monopolies, which I entirely agree with. It's super dangerous (as an example) that basically 3 companies now control all online advertising, and another 3 have a monopoly on renting servers. This is bad for markets and society so I was mostly onboard with a lot of what they did (and am very disappointed in the results of the trials, particularly the Google ones). I don't think this is anti-tech, it's anti-monopoly which I think is really good for basically everyone here over the longer term. That being said, a16z were totally just trying to make sure they had time to unload all their crypto "investments" to another sucker.

OutOfHere 8mo ago

With comments like yours and AI hating voters like you, it's no surprise that Democrats will keep losing.

jfengel 8mo ago

I think they don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. There is a lot wrong with AI, but it doesn't seem to be completely without value. As is typical of Democrats, they're trying to balance multiple interest groups (authors, artists, programmers, users, tech vendors, international markets, etc), arriving at a complex, multifaceted, reasonable position that everybody hates.

throwawaysleep 8mo ago
Eh, throw it out anyway. Dems need to learn that if it is not a Democratic baby, it should not get support.