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Apple's niche product, consisting of like 1-4% of computer sales compared to its dominant MacBook line, is now flying off the shelf as a highly desired product,

Apple's niche product, consisting of like 1-4% of computer sales compared to its dominant MacBook line, is now flying off the shelf as a highly desired product, because of a piece of software that Apple didn't spend a dime developing. This sounds like a major win for Apple. The OS maker does not have to make all the killer software. In fact, Apple's pretty much the only game in town that's making hardware and software both.

neumann 8mo ago
What are you referring to?
- LeoPanthera 8mo ago
  Do you want to know how I can tell you didn't read the article?
  - jb1991 8mo ago
    Do you want to know how I can tell that you did not read the hacker news guidelines.
- Der_Einzige 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - areoform 8mo ago
    (Yes android users are discriminated against in the dating market, tons of op eds are written about this, just google it before you knee jerk downvote the truth) If someone is shallow enough to write you off for that, is that someone you want as your partner?
  - r14c 8mo ago
    Imo using android is a great way to filter out extremely boring and vapid individuals from my dating pool.
  - velcrovan 8mo ago
    who's "afraid" of green bubbles? it's like saying a toyota corolla driver is afraid of the ford pinto
    - antinomicus 8mo ago
      No it’s like someone owning a Ferrari and looking down on someone who drives a Corolla. Or that’s how they see it, anyway. Plus there’s the annoyance with interoperability: it’s not just about status, it’s about all your iMessage group chats that don’t play nice with android
      - elcritch 8mo ago
        Apple chose the colors well. For whatever reason the shade of green they chose just gives a bit of ick.
    - mlrtime 8mo ago
      It's a real thing, you're either too old and/or not dating young people. Some do care a lot.
      - wolvoleo 8mo ago
        IMO it is pretty shallow to pick dating partners based on their mobile OS but yeah it does happen.
      - velcrovan 8mo ago
        I'm confused, I thought we were talking about people who are installing and running openclaw. You're right, if this is now a thread about teenage dating habits, I'm out.
    - sneak 8mo ago
      iMessage lock in is a huge thing. When it was new and was still e2ee I ended up buying iPhones for everyone I regularly messaged. These days it is insecure however because they backdoored the e2ee and kept it backdoored for the FBI, so now Signal is the only messenger I am reachable on. Blue bubble snobbery is presently a mark of ignorance more than anything else.
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  - jrflowers 8mo ago
    People are buying mac minis so their openclaw instances can date?
    - majormajor 8mo ago
      I assume the suggestion is that they need to run their bot on a machine that's up 24x7 (and they don't want to do that with a laptop since they probably carry it places and such), AND they want it to manage their texts by interacting with the Mac version of the Messages app. But if you connect those dots you've got people trying to date by having an AI respond to texts from potential dates which seems like you're immediately in red-flag-city and good luck keeping that secret for long enough to get whatever it is you want.
      - rrdharan 8mo ago
        I don't follow this logic. Forget about dating. If you want the AI to be able to send texts from your number, and you own an iPhone, I think your only other choice would be to port your number to Google Voice?
      - jrflowers 8mo ago
        > But if you connect those dots you've got people trying to date by having an AI respond to texts from potential dates Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around what sort of reads like “It is messed up that people avoid talking to eachother because of software because it messes up people’s ability to use software to avoid talking to eachother”
  - usefulcat 8mo ago
    You're saying I might have trouble getting a date if I don't have a Mac mini?
  - Tagbert 8mo ago
    So you might be discriminated against by some ignorant teenagers? Probably for the best.
- lanakei 8mo ago
  Probably the Mac Mini. A few OpenClaw users are buying the agent a dedicated device so that it can integrate with their Apple account. For example: https://x.com/michael_chomsky/status/2017686846910959668 https://x.com/michael_chomsky/status/2017686846910959668.
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  - koolala 8mo ago
    Why would it need more than 1? Couldn't they do this with any Mac with an Apple account?
    - vovavili 8mo ago
      Mac Minis are perfect for locally running demanding models because they can effectively use ordinary RAM as VRAM.
      - hjoutfbkfd 8mo ago
        but people dont use OpenClaw with local models
        paunchy 8mo ago
        They definitely do. A common configuration is running a supervisor model in the cloud and a much smaller model locally to churn on long running tasks. This frees Openclaw up to lavishly iterate on tool building without running through too many tokens.
        garciasn 8mo ago
        Unless you're running a large local model in 192GB+ this just won't be ideal, based on real-world experience.
    - whatsupdog 8mo ago
- ajcp 8mo ago
  Mac-Minis
- jb1991 8mo ago
  The entire point of the article is about the Mac mini sales flying through the roof because of this.
wqaatwt 8mo ago
Really doubt it has a significant impact on mac mini sales… And being fair ClawBot is a complete meme/fad at this point rather than an actual product. Using it for anything serious is pretty much the equivalent of throwing your credit cards, ids and sticky notes with passwords and waiting to see what happens… I do see the appeal and potential case of the general concept of course. The product itself (and the author has admitted it themselves) is literally is a garbage pile..
- computershit 8mo ago
  > Using it for anything serious One man's trash is another man's serious

neumann 8mo ago

What are you referring to?

LeoPanthera 8mo ago
Do you want to know how I can tell you didn't read the article?
- jb1991 8mo ago
  Do you want to know how I can tell that you did not read the hacker news guidelines.
Der_Einzige 8mo ago
[flagged]
- areoform 8mo ago
  (Yes android users are discriminated against in the dating market, tons of op eds are written about this, just google it before you knee jerk downvote the truth) If someone is shallow enough to write you off for that, is that someone you want as your partner?
- r14c 8mo ago
  Imo using android is a great way to filter out extremely boring and vapid individuals from my dating pool.
- velcrovan 8mo ago
  who's "afraid" of green bubbles? it's like saying a toyota corolla driver is afraid of the ford pinto
  - antinomicus 8mo ago
    No it’s like someone owning a Ferrari and looking down on someone who drives a Corolla. Or that’s how they see it, anyway. Plus there’s the annoyance with interoperability: it’s not just about status, it’s about all your iMessage group chats that don’t play nice with android
    - elcritch 8mo ago
      Apple chose the colors well. For whatever reason the shade of green they chose just gives a bit of ick.
  - mlrtime 8mo ago
    It's a real thing, you're either too old and/or not dating young people. Some do care a lot.
    - wolvoleo 8mo ago
      IMO it is pretty shallow to pick dating partners based on their mobile OS but yeah it does happen.
    - velcrovan 8mo ago
      I'm confused, I thought we were talking about people who are installing and running openclaw. You're right, if this is now a thread about teenage dating habits, I'm out.
  - sneak 8mo ago
    iMessage lock in is a huge thing. When it was new and was still e2ee I ended up buying iPhones for everyone I regularly messaged. These days it is insecure however because they backdoored the e2ee and kept it backdoored for the FBI, so now Signal is the only messenger I am reachable on. Blue bubble snobbery is presently a mark of ignorance more than anything else.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- jrflowers 8mo ago
  People are buying mac minis so their openclaw instances can date?
  - majormajor 8mo ago
    I assume the suggestion is that they need to run their bot on a machine that's up 24x7 (and they don't want to do that with a laptop since they probably carry it places and such), AND they want it to manage their texts by interacting with the Mac version of the Messages app. But if you connect those dots you've got people trying to date by having an AI respond to texts from potential dates which seems like you're immediately in red-flag-city and good luck keeping that secret for long enough to get whatever it is you want.
    - rrdharan 8mo ago
      I don't follow this logic. Forget about dating. If you want the AI to be able to send texts from your number, and you own an iPhone, I think your only other choice would be to port your number to Google Voice?
    - jrflowers 8mo ago
      > But if you connect those dots you've got people trying to date by having an AI respond to texts from potential dates Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around what sort of reads like “It is messed up that people avoid talking to eachother because of software because it messes up people’s ability to use software to avoid talking to eachother”
- usefulcat 8mo ago
  You're saying I might have trouble getting a date if I don't have a Mac mini?
- Tagbert 8mo ago
  So you might be discriminated against by some ignorant teenagers? Probably for the best.
lanakei 8mo ago
Probably the Mac Mini. A few OpenClaw users are buying the agent a dedicated device so that it can integrate with their Apple account. For example: https://x.com/michael_chomsky/status/2017686846910959668 https://x.com/michael_chomsky/status/2017686846910959668.
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- koolala 8mo ago
  Why would it need more than 1? Couldn't they do this with any Mac with an Apple account?
  - vovavili 8mo ago
    Mac Minis are perfect for locally running demanding models because they can effectively use ordinary RAM as VRAM.
    - hjoutfbkfd 8mo ago
      but people dont use OpenClaw with local models
      - paunchy 8mo ago
        They definitely do. A common configuration is running a supervisor model in the cloud and a much smaller model locally to churn on long running tasks. This frees Openclaw up to lavishly iterate on tool building without running through too many tokens.
        garciasn 8mo ago
        Unless you're running a large local model in 192GB+ this just won't be ideal, based on real-world experience.
  - whatsupdog 8mo ago
ajcp 8mo ago
Mac-Minis
jb1991 8mo ago
The entire point of the article is about the Mac mini sales flying through the roof because of this.

wqaatwt 8mo ago

Really doubt it has a significant impact on mac mini sales… And being fair ClawBot is a complete meme/fad at this point rather than an actual product. Using it for anything serious is pretty much the equivalent of throwing your credit cards, ids and sticky notes with passwords and waiting to see what happens… I do see the appeal and potential case of the general concept of course. The product itself (and the author has admitted it themselves) is literally is a garbage pile..

computershit 8mo ago
> Using it for anything serious One man's trash is another man's serious